I won't grant that it has utility, but that's from my ignorance. It might have utility; I don't know and am not qualified to say. The argument used matters to

I won't grant that it has utility, but that's from my ignorance. It might have utility; I don't know and am not qualified to say. The argument used matters to me, because if tomorrow it's proven that torture works, I still believe that civilized nations should be against it. If we hinge the argument on its utility, then when we lose that premise we lose the argument.