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The greatest danger is overeating our past our caloric limits. It's not sugar or fat or whatever, it's calories. Lets stick to that.

phil248 11y ago
But that's not true since our bodies process different foods in different ways. Marathon runners don't eat a bunch of steak fat before a run.
- mason55 11y ago
  Overall bodyweight is controlled by calories in vs. calories out. The different types of calories that you consume (fats vs. carbs vs. proteins) control things like how the extra bodyweight is stored or burned off and the signals your body gives as to whether or not you're hungry. There are a few biological pathways that you can use to your advantage but they're difficult and short-term. Your body has a very hard time storing protein as fat but that just means it will store the extra calories from carbs and fat as body fat. These discussions about "CICO only" vs. "Obviously macros matter" are always caused by people arguing two different things with each other.
  - csours 11y ago
    I think a lot of people talk past each other in these discussions. One problem is that a lot of diet fads promise magic solutions, and then people get tired of magic and revert back to CICO only. Any discussion that does not start with CICO and clearly show which side of the CICO ledger is influenced, and by what mechanism is doomed. I think maybe if we discussed CI and CO separately it would help: CI: Calories in are influenced by many things: eating habits, Macro content of food, access to good food, stress eating, satiety signals from blood sugar, leptin, ghrelin, etc. CO: Calories out are influenced by basal metabolic rate, exercise, enviromental temperature, fat storage (calories that do not get used up), etc. I would love to see a series of articles that clearly articulates the two main headings, and then goes into each item underneath, in order of impact on health overall and weight specifically

phil248 11y ago

But that's not true since our bodies process different foods in different ways. Marathon runners don't eat a bunch of steak fat before a run.

mason55 11y ago
Overall bodyweight is controlled by calories in vs. calories out. The different types of calories that you consume (fats vs. carbs vs. proteins) control things like how the extra bodyweight is stored or burned off and the signals your body gives as to whether or not you're hungry. There are a few biological pathways that you can use to your advantage but they're difficult and short-term. Your body has a very hard time storing protein as fat but that just means it will store the extra calories from carbs and fat as body fat. These discussions about "CICO only" vs. "Obviously macros matter" are always caused by people arguing two different things with each other.
- csours 11y ago
  I think a lot of people talk past each other in these discussions. One problem is that a lot of diet fads promise magic solutions, and then people get tired of magic and revert back to CICO only. Any discussion that does not start with CICO and clearly show which side of the CICO ledger is influenced, and by what mechanism is doomed. I think maybe if we discussed CI and CO separately it would help: CI: Calories in are influenced by many things: eating habits, Macro content of food, access to good food, stress eating, satiety signals from blood sugar, leptin, ghrelin, etc. CO: Calories out are influenced by basal metabolic rate, exercise, enviromental temperature, fat storage (calories that do not get used up), etc. I would love to see a series of articles that clearly articulates the two main headings, and then goes into each item underneath, in order of impact on health overall and weight specifically