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We have those in Italy, as a counter point: it's amazing how fast those got occupied abusively and how local criminals use it to either hide their illegal worke
by LoSboccacc 11y ago
We have those in Italy, as a counter point: it's amazing how fast those got occupied abusively and how local criminals use it to either hide their illegal workers or use it as bargaining chips to gain support and omerta from the population.
- AlgorithmicTime 11y agoThat is similar to what I imagine would happen in the US, based on our absolutely crap track record of public housing.
- jahnu 11y agoSounds like a problem with law enforcement rather than anything else.
- LoSboccacc 11y agotrue, and goes to show how even the best ideas needs to be declined in the context of the other society issues a region has.
- jacobush 11y agoOh, you said what I meant with my comment above, but with other words. Thanks, missed that.
- jacobush 11y agoCounter counter point - is there much of anything official done in Italy which is not perverted by criminals/mafia? Seriously, not trying to be a dick.
- LoSboccacc 11y agoeh, thought about it a lot, and the fact is, it's not the mafia. the whole society is like that. it's a cultural thing, where people expect other people to owe favors back as a natural way of doing business. it works at every level here, from groceries stores keeping freshest bread for friends and giving mellow salami to foreigners upward. it's easy to identify the issue with the big names, but it starts way, way below that.
- paulojreis 11y agoPortuguese here. Same crap, everyday, everywhere. :)
- olifante 11y agoYou must live in a different Portugal than the one I know. While I admit perceptions of corruption are quite high among Portuguese, actual corruption is not that high, at least according to the international metrics I've seen. We're certainly not a mafia state or anything close to that.
- paulojreis 11y ago> You must live in a different Portugal than the one I know. Everybody does, right? It's my perception, as you have yours. From where I stand, laws are ignored as if they didn't exist, people care only about themselves and the quid pro quo is the currency to achieve anything in a timely manner. The rot is everywhere, from the guy which slows down traffic because he parked in the middle of the road to get broad, to municipal services and e.g. construction licenses.