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> What if single mothers were held responsible for their choice to have children with bad men? Then children will suffer.
by c0nducktr 11y ago
> What if single mothers were held responsible for their choice to have children with bad men?
Then children will suffer.
- brbsix 11y agoChildren will suffer either way. You can accept a relatively small amount of suffering and address the issue in the here and now (stigmatize the women, pose alternatives like adoption, thus set an example of what not to do) or you can go the other route (make excuses, subsidize their behavior) and end up with a massive self-perpetuating culture of single motherhood, dysfunction, and criminality in the long run. We're currently seeing the latter. If you thought eugenics was terrible, consider what the opposite would look like.
- c0nducktr 11y agoOh are there only those two options?
- brbsix 11y agoThose are just two ends of a spectrum. There are plenty of ways to address this. Personally, I'd immediately end the drug war (thus massively alleviating single-motherhood in black communities) and look into changes to divorce/alimony law and the family court system. Ending the aforementioned subsidies referenced by the OP would be massively beneficial as well. Unfortunately there are a lot of entrenched interests associated with everything I've just mentioned, so barring some sort of catastrophe, I suspect a cultural/social approach (e.g. stigmatization) is likely to be the most immediate and realistic place to start.
- awt 11y agoWithout welfare, the mother would likely give he children up for adoption by responsible people that can afford them. At least she would have that choice, and the choice to raise the children in poverty, thus causing them to suffer, would still be hers.
- tamana 11y agoPeople are lining up around the block to adopt poor non-white babies? Mothers have no natural human emotions of attachment to their offspring?
- awt 11y agoThey aren't? If you can find the stats for non-white newborns I'd read them. What kind of empathy does a mother have for her child that would raise him without a father in poverty? What empathy does a single mother have for the people from whom she is taking money in the form of welfare?
- dang 11y agoI don't think it's single mothers who lack empathy here. If you have something thoughtful to say about a difficult topic, that's fine, but please don't post ideological rhetoric to HN threads.
- awt 11y agoI will not stop posting about uncomfortable topics because of your disapproval.
- dang 11y agoIt's not the topic that's the problem, it's the pre-existing political boilerplate. That stuff doesn't add to conversation, it destroys it.
- awt 11y agoJudging by the responses to my "boilerplate," inluding yours which consisted of a run of the mill ad hominem attempt to shut down the conversation by white knighting, and others which were non-arguments and sarcastic these are not arguments that people have considered.
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