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I try to understand people, and your despair is loud and clear here. Change is inevitable for sure, man or nature (man is nature, BTW). The sun will devour the

by eggy 11y ago

I try to understand people, and your despair is loud and clear here. Change is inevitable for sure, man or nature (man is nature, BTW). The sun will devour the inner planets in 4 billion years, but it is burning brighter each year, and in 1 billion years, it will boil off the oceans, coral and all. To the stars if we wish to preserve humankind. There is a lot of complaining that nothing is being done. There should be some basic steps aside from accepting your problem to begin with, and that is to study some solutions: #1. Propose and study solutions to match your conclusions of climate change - I don't find too much here compared with the amount of continuing studies on the climate. And very important to get intellect to act - #2. Who's going to pay for it, and on whose back falls the labor to implement #1? Financial illiteracy is the big problem nobody talks about when discussing STEM deficiencies. You may need to build a skyscraper, but if you have 2 guys, 100 bucks and 1 day, you are going to be living in a lean-to, or a makeshift tent at the end of the day, no matter how much you complain or dream. I try and do my best to live minimally, because I prefer it, it makes me feel more peaceful and less distracted, and gives me plenty of time to read and think. I don't preach that all should live my way. On a more cheerful note, I found a Tweet today about Sweet Meteor of Death, but it was in reaction to people's political apathy or neuroses over the coming U.S. elections. An apocolyptic meteor for POTUS 2016! You should buy the tee shirt and smile!

zanny 11y ago
If we have the power to traverse interstellar space en masse, we are probably bordering on the necessary Type 2 civilization to move the Earth away from the Sun over the billions of years it will take to first boil the oceans and then eat the planet. Its asymptotic to your point, but practically - assuming we don't destroy ourselves this century - we will spend a lot of resources when we are a trans-universal space-faring race to preserve the Earth in the same way we spend time preserving historical art and architecture.
- eggy 11y ago
  Yes, you need to survive today to see tomorrow, that's true. Two reads that border on fringe speculation that I happened to enjoy thoroughly were: The Physics of Immortality: Modern Cosmology, God and the Resurrection of the Dead by Frank J. Tipler, and The Singularity is Near by Ray Kurzweil. Now, I am an atheist, and I fully know the zaniness of Kipler's Omega Point and its ties to Christianity, but there are discussions in there like in Kurzweil's book about how we will expand throughout the cosmos all based on hard science. It only gets trippy in some places. Still more fun to read than junk fiction. I do believe that we are in the period of 'accelerating returns', and that things will come sooner than we think with space mining, colonization and humans spreading throughout the universe. And, yes, we will try to preserve the Earth in the process, but moving it, performing climate engineering on it, etc... will probably fall by the wayside when we are living on other worlds. It's artifacts and history will be preserved I believe. I don't think we will recreate it per Tipler due to having mastery of information, his 'resurrection' discussion which involves everything, not just people! Fun stuff.

by eggy 11y ago

zanny 11y ago

If we have the power to traverse interstellar space en masse, we are probably bordering on the necessary Type 2 civilization to move the Earth away from the Sun over the billions of years it will take to first boil the oceans and then eat the planet. Its asymptotic to your point, but practically - assuming we don't destroy ourselves this century - we will spend a lot of resources when we are a trans-universal space-faring race to preserve the Earth in the same way we spend time preserving historical art and architecture.

eggy 11y ago
Yes, you need to survive today to see tomorrow, that's true. Two reads that border on fringe speculation that I happened to enjoy thoroughly were: The Physics of Immortality: Modern Cosmology, God and the Resurrection of the Dead by Frank J. Tipler, and The Singularity is Near by Ray Kurzweil. Now, I am an atheist, and I fully know the zaniness of Kipler's Omega Point and its ties to Christianity, but there are discussions in there like in Kurzweil's book about how we will expand throughout the cosmos all based on hard science. It only gets trippy in some places. Still more fun to read than junk fiction. I do believe that we are in the period of 'accelerating returns', and that things will come sooner than we think with space mining, colonization and humans spreading throughout the universe. And, yes, we will try to preserve the Earth in the process, but moving it, performing climate engineering on it, etc... will probably fall by the wayside when we are living on other worlds. It's artifacts and history will be preserved I believe. I don't think we will recreate it per Tipler due to having mastery of information, his 'resurrection' discussion which involves everything, not just people! Fun stuff.