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> an open source tool I expect rms is gonna say something about being told about "open source", heh. > There is not a single dependency in OpenERP/Odoo agains

by jordigh 11y ago

> an open source tool I expect rms is gonna say something about being told about "open source", heh. > There is not a single dependency in OpenERP/Odoo against proprietary software or services. So, do your servers just run OpenUpgrade? Are you basically just helping others with the overhead of running OpenUpgrade? Or do you have secret sauce that works stronger, faster, higher than OpenUpgrade?

ocdtrekkie 11y ago
RMS may think he is the definition of what is open source and what isn't, that doesn't mean he is or can't be wrong.
- matthewn 11y ago
  RMS does not think this at all. RMS rejects the term "open source" outright, and is rather strident about it.
- jordigh 11y ago
  Open source is a synonym for free software coined in 1998 by Christine Petersen, promoted by Eric Raymond and Bruce Perens and funded by Tim O'Reilly as part of a memetic marketing campaign to make people stop thinking about software freedom: http://jordi.inversethought.com/blog/5-things-we-have-forgotten-about-open-source/ http://jordi.inversethought.com/blog/5-things-we-have-forgot... For the most part, it worked. Almost nobody talks about free software, which is what open source was supposed to refer to.
  - ldarby 11y ago
    > Open source is a synonym for free software False, I suggest you read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.e...
    - jordigh 11y ago
      It was an exacty synonym in 1998. There have been very minor deviations in very obscure licenses most people haven't heard of, so it's a minor quibble. The article you quote acknowledges twice, The two terms describe almost the same category of software, but they stand for views based on fundamentally different values. and “Free software.” “Open source.” If it's the same software (or nearly so), does it matter which name you use? OSI's intent was always to refer to the exact same thing as "free software", just use different language, and thus different arguments in favour of it.
      - ldarby 11y ago
        Open Source includes BSD style licenses, which allow distribution in binary form only. Free Software doesn't, that's the difference and I think that difference is large enough to make them not synonyms.
        andreasvc 11y ago
        That is false. Free software includes BSD licenses. You are thinking of copyleft licenses.
        hughw 11y ago
        Isn't the parent commenter correct that BSD permits a developer to distribute a binary without offering the source? At the same time, a free software developer can incorporate and distribute BSD libraries without compromising a free license like GPL.
        comex 11y ago
        The BSD license does so permit, but this only means that it is not a copyleft license; it is still a free software license. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#Non-CopyleftedFreeSoftware http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#Non-Copylefted...
        11y ago
- cyphar 11y ago
  Free software. The open source movement has no deeper ethical reasons for their beliefs.

by jordigh 11y ago

ocdtrekkie 11y ago

RMS may think he is the definition of what is open source and what isn't, that doesn't mean he is or can't be wrong.

matthewn 11y ago
RMS does not think this at all. RMS rejects the term "open source" outright, and is rather strident about it.
jordigh 11y ago
Open source is a synonym for free software coined in 1998 by Christine Petersen, promoted by Eric Raymond and Bruce Perens and funded by Tim O'Reilly as part of a memetic marketing campaign to make people stop thinking about software freedom: http://jordi.inversethought.com/blog/5-things-we-have-forgotten-about-open-source/ http://jordi.inversethought.com/blog/5-things-we-have-forgot... For the most part, it worked. Almost nobody talks about free software, which is what open source was supposed to refer to.
- ldarby 11y ago
  > Open source is a synonym for free software False, I suggest you read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.e...
  - jordigh 11y ago
    It was an exacty synonym in 1998. There have been very minor deviations in very obscure licenses most people haven't heard of, so it's a minor quibble. The article you quote acknowledges twice, The two terms describe almost the same category of software, but they stand for views based on fundamentally different values. and “Free software.” “Open source.” If it's the same software (or nearly so), does it matter which name you use? OSI's intent was always to refer to the exact same thing as "free software", just use different language, and thus different arguments in favour of it.
    - ldarby 11y ago
      Open Source includes BSD style licenses, which allow distribution in binary form only. Free Software doesn't, that's the difference and I think that difference is large enough to make them not synonyms.
      - andreasvc 11y ago
        That is false. Free software includes BSD licenses. You are thinking of copyleft licenses.
        hughw 11y ago
        Isn't the parent commenter correct that BSD permits a developer to distribute a binary without offering the source? At the same time, a free software developer can incorporate and distribute BSD libraries without compromising a free license like GPL.
        comex 11y ago
        The BSD license does so permit, but this only means that it is not a copyleft license; it is still a free software license. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#Non-CopyleftedFreeSoftware http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#Non-Copylefted...
      - 11y ago
cyphar 11y ago
Free software. The open source movement has no deeper ethical reasons for their beliefs.