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Those sort of riders are a sentinel to signal that the venue read the contract carefully, not diva behavior, as is commonly assumed. If they caught the brown M&

Those sort of riders are a sentinel to signal that the venue read the contract carefully, not diva behavior, as is commonly assumed. If they caught the brown M&M's thing, they probably got all the stuff about rigging safety, so you don't have to grill them on those things. Otherwise, you'd better double check.

mamon 11y ago
Honestly, I think that such clauses can have opposite effect. I mean: how can you treat the other party seriously if they put such ridiculous, childish demands like 'no brown M&M" in contract?
- simoncion 11y ago
  > ...how can you treat the other party seriously if they put such ridiculous, childish demands like 'no brown M&M" in contract? If you don't know what you're doing, you won't treat the other party seriously. This is a strong signal to the other party that you don't know what you're doing and SHOULD be avoided. If -however- you do know what you're doing, then you take the other party seriously even when you come across such demands because (as shawn-furyan said): > Those sort of riders are a sentinel to signal that the venue read the contract carefully... If they caught the brown M&M's thing, they probably got all the stuff about rigging safety, so you don't have to grill them on those things. Otherwise, you'd better double check.
  - ascagnel_ 11y ago
    I'm not sure if this is accurate, but the brown M&M thing started after Van Halen performed at a college gymnasium and their stage setup inflicted tens of thousands of dollars worth of damage to a facility that, if the organizers had read the rider, was never fit to host such a show. http://ultimateclassicrock.com/david-lee-roth-van-halen-brown-mms-rule/ http://ultimateclassicrock.com/david-lee-roth-van-halen-brow... This applies to RMS -- when he's on the road, he's often at the mercy of the event organizer for transportation and lodging arrangements (either directly or indirectly by them providing information). If they mess up, he's in real trouble.
- Normal_gaussian 11y ago
  You do not know why that clause is there. When somebody asks for something and you do not understand why, and decide you don't want to do it, it is the sensible thing to ask for explanation. It is the childish thing to ignore it.

mamon 11y ago

Honestly, I think that such clauses can have opposite effect. I mean: how can you treat the other party seriously if they put such ridiculous, childish demands like 'no brown M&M" in contract?

simoncion 11y ago
> ...how can you treat the other party seriously if they put such ridiculous, childish demands like 'no brown M&M" in contract? If you don't know what you're doing, you won't treat the other party seriously. This is a strong signal to the other party that you don't know what you're doing and SHOULD be avoided. If -however- you do know what you're doing, then you take the other party seriously even when you come across such demands because (as shawn-furyan said): > Those sort of riders are a sentinel to signal that the venue read the contract carefully... If they caught the brown M&M's thing, they probably got all the stuff about rigging safety, so you don't have to grill them on those things. Otherwise, you'd better double check.
- ascagnel_ 11y ago
  I'm not sure if this is accurate, but the brown M&M thing started after Van Halen performed at a college gymnasium and their stage setup inflicted tens of thousands of dollars worth of damage to a facility that, if the organizers had read the rider, was never fit to host such a show. http://ultimateclassicrock.com/david-lee-roth-van-halen-brown-mms-rule/ http://ultimateclassicrock.com/david-lee-roth-van-halen-brow... This applies to RMS -- when he's on the road, he's often at the mercy of the event organizer for transportation and lodging arrangements (either directly or indirectly by them providing information). If they mess up, he's in real trouble.
Normal_gaussian 11y ago
You do not know why that clause is there. When somebody asks for something and you do not understand why, and decide you don't want to do it, it is the sensible thing to ask for explanation. It is the childish thing to ignore it.