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The UK isn't in Schengen so it's not part of this. They're not putting visas up (or don't intend to) for Canadians or Americans. There's a bit of a bromance goi

The UK isn't in Schengen so it's not part of this. They're not putting visas up (or don't intend to) for Canadians or Americans. There's a bit of a bromance going on for the anglophone countries.

raphman_ 11y ago
This has nothing to do with the Schengen treaty. Schengen == "there are no passport controls at border crossings" Visa Waiver Program == "you do not need to apply for a visa in the destination country's embassy"
- germanier 11y ago
  While it doesn't have anything to do with Schengen directly, the UK and Ireland still got an opt-out of the regulation at hand as they do with most related issues. They are not effected by any of this.
- akhatri_aus 11y ago
  The EU is negotiating on the behalf of future and current Schengen area members. While you have numbed it down it is simply that the Visa Waiver Program is tough on Romania and Bulgaria and also has a fee for the ETA whereas there is no such thing to go to the Schengen area from Canada or the USA. So yes it does have to do with Schengen, but not the treaty specifically as it doesn't involve inter EU travel.
- vidarh 11y ago
  Schengen also regulates a shared visa policy for all members and all countries that are prospective members. This affects all EU countries other than the UK and Ireland, and indirectly affects several non-EU countries. E.g. Norway applies Schengen visa rules as a Schengen member, and non-Schengen countries that are prospective EU members works towards harmonising their visa rules with Schengen because it is a requirement of EU membership.
Audiophilip 11y ago
>The UK isn't in Schengen so it's not part of this. Romania and Bulgaria aren't in Schengen, either. This isn't a Schengen issue, this is a European Union issue.
- akhatri_aus 11y ago
  Romania and Bulgaria are legally obligated to enter Schengen in future so yes it is a Schengen issue. The UK on the other hand has no intention to join and don't intend to put visas in. This issue is more a Schengen than an EU issue.
  - Audiophilip 11y ago
    sigh Let me explain. The EU would like to have its citizens treated under the same legal conditions abroad regardless whether they are from a Schengen country or not. In fact, the Schengen Area includes multiple non-EU countries as well (Switzerland, Norway, Iceland etc), and their visa policies are not involved in this issue at all.
    - vidarh 11y ago
      The UK (and Ireland) has specific opt-outs that prevents this from affecting the UK. Any other non-Schengen countries other than the UK and Ireland are affected because the Schengen visa policy applies to them regardless.
    - akhatri_aus 11y ago
      What I mean is the EU is negotiating on the behalf of all Schengen area countries (including the Swiss, Norwegians, & Icelandic) but is not negotiating on the behalf of the UK/Ireland (who are EU members). It has to be this way because when you enter the EU it is either Schengen or the CTA (UK/Ireland). While technically Bulgaria and Romania are not yet in Schengen, they have to enter at a future time. The Swiss, Norway and Icelandic visa policy IS involved because they also have to fill in the silly form and pay the fee to visit the US/Canada as part of the Visa Waiver Program or eTA but a US/Canada citizen can simply enter Switzerland or Norway (Schengen) without any forms or fees. While Bulgaria, Poland and Romania have the WVP issue this isn't the only reason for these measures. This is on the agenda too (how they are not in the WVP) with the USA despite intending on being in Schengen. While the UK/Ireland also has the ETA these negotiations don't have anything to do with it as they will not be imposing Visas on US or Canadian citizens.
scurvy 11y ago
Australia requires US citizens get a visa to visit. It's not an all around bromance.
- akhatri_aus 11y ago
  Everyone needs an ETA/Visa to visit Australia... It is a bromance considering what you need to visit Australia as a non anglophone country. China is Australia's largest trading partner (both imports and exports) but they have it nothing like the anglophone countries. Even on the tourism front there are more Chinese tourists than Americans, but its still not easy.. In fairness the only reason a 'Visa' is required is because its reciprocal. The EU has near no requirements for Australians (you can just get in) so they have the free eVisitor whereas the US needs an ETA (not really a Visa) but its pretty much reciprocal to the Visa Waiver Program in terms of the online application and fee. That being said there's something even more special to anglophone countries having the Queen as the head of state in terms of the visas (including the working holiday kind)
  - scurvy 11y ago
    If you pay a fee, it's a visa. Whether if you get it ahead of time or on landing (a la Indonesia) doesn't matter. A fee is a visa. Speaking of Indonesia, they even charge you to leave!
    - akhatri_aus 11y ago
      Yeah everyone seems to have this 'visa' in everything but its name. The EU doesn't have any of this, you just get in and get on with your day. Unfortunately because the bastion of freedom charges a $14 fee and makes you fill in a very visa like form the EU may soon have this blasted visa form too :/

The UK isn't in Schengen so it's not part of this. They're not putting visas up (or don't intend to) for Canadians or Americans. There's a bit of a bromance going on for the anglophone countries.

raphman_ 11y ago

This has nothing to do with the Schengen treaty. Schengen == "there are no passport controls at border crossings" Visa Waiver Program == "you do not need to apply for a visa in the destination country's embassy"

germanier 11y ago
While it doesn't have anything to do with Schengen directly, the UK and Ireland still got an opt-out of the regulation at hand as they do with most related issues. They are not effected by any of this.
akhatri_aus 11y ago
The EU is negotiating on the behalf of future and current Schengen area members. While you have numbed it down it is simply that the Visa Waiver Program is tough on Romania and Bulgaria and also has a fee for the ETA whereas there is no such thing to go to the Schengen area from Canada or the USA. So yes it does have to do with Schengen, but not the treaty specifically as it doesn't involve inter EU travel.
vidarh 11y ago
Schengen also regulates a shared visa policy for all members and all countries that are prospective members. This affects all EU countries other than the UK and Ireland, and indirectly affects several non-EU countries. E.g. Norway applies Schengen visa rules as a Schengen member, and non-Schengen countries that are prospective EU members works towards harmonising their visa rules with Schengen because it is a requirement of EU membership.

Audiophilip 11y ago

>The UK isn't in Schengen so it's not part of this. Romania and Bulgaria aren't in Schengen, either. This isn't a Schengen issue, this is a European Union issue.

akhatri_aus 11y ago
Romania and Bulgaria are legally obligated to enter Schengen in future so yes it is a Schengen issue. The UK on the other hand has no intention to join and don't intend to put visas in. This issue is more a Schengen than an EU issue.
- Audiophilip 11y ago
  sigh Let me explain. The EU would like to have its citizens treated under the same legal conditions abroad regardless whether they are from a Schengen country or not. In fact, the Schengen Area includes multiple non-EU countries as well (Switzerland, Norway, Iceland etc), and their visa policies are not involved in this issue at all.
  - vidarh 11y ago
    The UK (and Ireland) has specific opt-outs that prevents this from affecting the UK. Any other non-Schengen countries other than the UK and Ireland are affected because the Schengen visa policy applies to them regardless.
  - akhatri_aus 11y ago
    What I mean is the EU is negotiating on the behalf of all Schengen area countries (including the Swiss, Norwegians, & Icelandic) but is not negotiating on the behalf of the UK/Ireland (who are EU members). It has to be this way because when you enter the EU it is either Schengen or the CTA (UK/Ireland). While technically Bulgaria and Romania are not yet in Schengen, they have to enter at a future time. The Swiss, Norway and Icelandic visa policy IS involved because they also have to fill in the silly form and pay the fee to visit the US/Canada as part of the Visa Waiver Program or eTA but a US/Canada citizen can simply enter Switzerland or Norway (Schengen) without any forms or fees. While Bulgaria, Poland and Romania have the WVP issue this isn't the only reason for these measures. This is on the agenda too (how they are not in the WVP) with the USA despite intending on being in Schengen. While the UK/Ireland also has the ETA these negotiations don't have anything to do with it as they will not be imposing Visas on US or Canadian citizens.

scurvy 11y ago

Australia requires US citizens get a visa to visit. It's not an all around bromance.

akhatri_aus 11y ago
Everyone needs an ETA/Visa to visit Australia... It is a bromance considering what you need to visit Australia as a non anglophone country. China is Australia's largest trading partner (both imports and exports) but they have it nothing like the anglophone countries. Even on the tourism front there are more Chinese tourists than Americans, but its still not easy.. In fairness the only reason a 'Visa' is required is because its reciprocal. The EU has near no requirements for Australians (you can just get in) so they have the free eVisitor whereas the US needs an ETA (not really a Visa) but its pretty much reciprocal to the Visa Waiver Program in terms of the online application and fee. That being said there's something even more special to anglophone countries having the Queen as the head of state in terms of the visas (including the working holiday kind)
- scurvy 11y ago
  If you pay a fee, it's a visa. Whether if you get it ahead of time or on landing (a la Indonesia) doesn't matter. A fee is a visa. Speaking of Indonesia, they even charge you to leave!
  - akhatri_aus 11y ago
    Yeah everyone seems to have this 'visa' in everything but its name. The EU doesn't have any of this, you just get in and get on with your day. Unfortunately because the bastion of freedom charges a $14 fee and makes you fill in a very visa like form the EU may soon have this blasted visa form too :/