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Why are we letting this go on?

by rubyfan 11y ago

Aelinsaar 11y ago
Because the time to stop it was 30+ years ago. It's their country now, not ours.
- hellbanner 11y ago
  Right. And maybe HN readers just happen to read a lot of non-US press but it seems to me many of these "American Governments/Companys are doing bad things" are coming from non-USA press outlets.
- yarou 11y ago
  And by giving up you are furthering their power without accountability or oversight.
  - Aelinsaar 10y ago
    No, I'm not achieving any more by "giving up" than I am by not "giving up". I'm not in a position to change the nature of US policy, and as long as American voters use their power to vote in venal assholes, that won't change.
noobermin 11y ago
I'll bite, why is this something we shouldn't "let go on?" The CIA invests in companies doing research that support it's mission. You can disagree with the mission and work to change it, but what is wrong here? Why is it a crime to let a company develop this technology?
- technologia 11y ago
  I agree, we can all sit and bitch about this all day but if you want to make a change in their policy why not go work for them? -------------- Just to note, the later part of this isn't directed at you @noobermin, just my own rant (sorry) -------------- Also, there are plenty of companies that are in their portfolio that we are happily using without complaint. What this company is doing isn't wrong and assuming that the CIA is going to abuse it is wrong as well. Do people realize the hoops and hurdles these folks have to go through before they are even allowed to even be in the room with some of this stuff? The people working there are everyday folks that feel the same about the abuse of technology and work very hard for little pay to ensure that they aren't infringing anyone's rights. Sure it isn't perfect all the time, but for the most part they do their job well considering we almost never hear about their successes till several decades later.
- rubyfan 11y ago
  because it's our money.
- dinkumthinkum 11y ago
  Well, you see, the common view on HN is very against anything related to government intelligence and military efforts. Usually, they want all the governments to topple and be replaced by, usually the proposed solutions on HN, anarchy, anarchocapitalism, or some kind of Marxist utopia.
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rayiner 11y ago
Because the CIA fights terrorists, anarchists, and radicals, and those are the biggest perceived threats to the comfortable and secure lives people desire. The CIA exists to protect the status quo internationally, and that's a status quo that has been pretty damn good to your average American.

Why are we letting this go on?

by rubyfan 11y ago

Why are we letting this go on?

Aelinsaar 11y ago

Because the time to stop it was 30+ years ago. It's their country now, not ours.

hellbanner 11y ago
Right. And maybe HN readers just happen to read a lot of non-US press but it seems to me many of these "American Governments/Companys are doing bad things" are coming from non-USA press outlets.
yarou 11y ago
And by giving up you are furthering their power without accountability or oversight.
- Aelinsaar 10y ago
  No, I'm not achieving any more by "giving up" than I am by not "giving up". I'm not in a position to change the nature of US policy, and as long as American voters use their power to vote in venal assholes, that won't change.

noobermin 11y ago

I'll bite, why is this something we shouldn't "let go on?" The CIA invests in companies doing research that support it's mission. You can disagree with the mission and work to change it, but what is wrong here? Why is it a crime to let a company develop this technology?

technologia 11y ago
I agree, we can all sit and bitch about this all day but if you want to make a change in their policy why not go work for them? -------------- Just to note, the later part of this isn't directed at you @noobermin, just my own rant (sorry) -------------- Also, there are plenty of companies that are in their portfolio that we are happily using without complaint. What this company is doing isn't wrong and assuming that the CIA is going to abuse it is wrong as well. Do people realize the hoops and hurdles these folks have to go through before they are even allowed to even be in the room with some of this stuff? The people working there are everyday folks that feel the same about the abuse of technology and work very hard for little pay to ensure that they aren't infringing anyone's rights. Sure it isn't perfect all the time, but for the most part they do their job well considering we almost never hear about their successes till several decades later.
rubyfan 11y ago
because it's our money.
dinkumthinkum 11y ago
Well, you see, the common view on HN is very against anything related to government intelligence and military efforts. Usually, they want all the governments to topple and be replaced by, usually the proposed solutions on HN, anarchy, anarchocapitalism, or some kind of Marxist utopia.

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rayiner 11y ago

Because the CIA fights terrorists, anarchists, and radicals, and those are the biggest perceived threats to the comfortable and secure lives people desire. The CIA exists to protect the status quo internationally, and that's a status quo that has been pretty damn good to your average American.