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> If you receive a sealed letter and the police get a warrant, they can search your drawer and open that letter. If you have a private conversation with someone

> If you receive a sealed letter and the police get a warrant, they can search your drawer and open that letter. If you have a private conversation with someone, a prosecutor can subpoena that person and force them to testify about what you told them. If you are a bank with a lock box, are you required to have a key to a safe that a customer installs inside the lock box to store their valuables? Of course, a court can order you to give what you have but how can they order you to give them something you don't have?

rayiner 11y ago
The bill only imposes obligations to the extent the service provider offers the feature that makes information unintelligible. So it would not apply to encryption the customer uses themselves that aren't provided by the service. And yes, courts regularly order banks to drill into their safe deposit boxes.
- woodman 11y ago
  > ...to the extent the service provider offers the feature that makes information unintelligible... Hardware manufacturers as well. Say goodbye to bios passwords, hard drive smart locks, SSD encryption that permits instant formats and the only way to ensure that bad blocks don't leak your data to ebay buyers.
  - newjersey 11y ago
    So this is pretty much a ban on encryption. So would gpg4win be required to take a copy of everyone's private key who uses their software to generate private keys? Have they thought this through?
- cb18 11y ago
  How do you feel about encryption? Do you think it is a good and worthwhile thing for the modern world? If multi-billion dollar companies were mandated to spend their development efforts on ineffective, insecure cryptographic systems, do you think that would be a positive or negative thing in terms of the availability and proliferation of the kind of effective and secure cryptographic systems that 'customers use themselves'?

rayiner 11y ago

The bill only imposes obligations to the extent the service provider offers the feature that makes information unintelligible. So it would not apply to encryption the customer uses themselves that aren't provided by the service. And yes, courts regularly order banks to drill into their safe deposit boxes.

woodman 11y ago
> ...to the extent the service provider offers the feature that makes information unintelligible... Hardware manufacturers as well. Say goodbye to bios passwords, hard drive smart locks, SSD encryption that permits instant formats and the only way to ensure that bad blocks don't leak your data to ebay buyers.
- newjersey 11y ago
  So this is pretty much a ban on encryption. So would gpg4win be required to take a copy of everyone's private key who uses their software to generate private keys? Have they thought this through?
cb18 11y ago
How do you feel about encryption? Do you think it is a good and worthwhile thing for the modern world? If multi-billion dollar companies were mandated to spend their development efforts on ineffective, insecure cryptographic systems, do you think that would be a positive or negative thing in terms of the availability and proliferation of the kind of effective and secure cryptographic systems that 'customers use themselves'?