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I'm French, and speak American English natively (i.e., when people meet me they think I'm American and when I tell them I'm French it takes them a bit of time t
by GuiA 11y ago
I'm French, and speak American English natively (i.e., when people meet me they think I'm American and when I tell them I'm French it takes them a bit of time to believe me - "you mean, you have french parents but were born here?" etc.).
Most people don't realize that a language's accent is a physical thing. Your throat, nose, tongue behave differently when speaking different languages. If you're French, you can't speak English while keeping the same physical arrangement of your mouth and throat than when you speak French. So if you want to speak a language with a native accent, you have to experiment with all those parameters, and find what your voice sounds like in that language. For instance, my voice is a bit deeper in English than it is in French; this is particularly noticeable with my female friends who are speak both English and French natively - their voices tend to be very noticeably higher in French.
I've been learning Japanese, and it seems that I get best pronunciation results when my throat is in an even lower, more relaxed position than English. I intend to pick up mandarin at some point and am very much looking forward to experimenting with that, as I have no experience with strongly tonal languages.
Kids get this intuitively, but adults have a much harder time with it- it has to be taught consciously. Which is why most French people, even after living in an English speaking country for many years, retain a horrible French accent. We really ought to be teaching kids from the maternelle, much like many of our European neighbors do.
That being said, one thing I just have never been able to do are regional accents in languages I already speak. I cannot for the life of me speak with a northern French accent (my family's from the south, although I grew up in Lyon so have a mostly neutral accent), or a British accent.
- TillE 11y ago> Most people don't realize that a language's accent is a physical thing. Right! This is why I hate saying English words in the middle of German sentences. It's actually easier to just say them with the German accent, rather than take the effort to rearrange both my mouth and my brain.
- titzer 11y agoAgree! But vice versa: I've been learning German for a few years and it's hard to dynamically reconfigure for the odd German place name or person while in the middle of English, but my German accent is actually pretty decent and don't want to let it get Americanized by laziness. The other way, speaking German and inserting English words with a German accent, is actually pretty comfortable, I find.
- jkaunisv1 11y agoI usually get the impression people aren't really trying to match an accent. They're just trying to pronounce the letters and syllables as they would in their native language. Hence the stereotypical cringe-inducing "bonn-joor!" or "watashee wah soo-miss-oo dess-oo". Maybe it's because they haven't heard enough native pronunciation of the words (just like I mispronounce words I've only ever read in a book). When I speak foreign languages I sort of subconsciously imitate characters I've heard speak in movies or shows. I'm always kind of worried my Japanese will sound like a mix of Naruto and Miyazaki characters. As for regional accents, I find that's more a matter of knowing the little differences in certain words, like extending or shortening syllables, or rather strongly altering the key vowel (eg. Québecois 'nawn' vs. Parisian 'nohn' for 'non'). As you said, has a lot to do with mouth shapes. For a lot of regional accents, I find you can fake things by transposing certain vowels. eg. for Australian transpose all the eh's (eg. get, head) into i's (eg. git, hid) and using soft r's (git me a beah mate). Whereas in my limited experience New Zealanders have a sharper change from e's to i's - it's almost "geet me a beah". And of course knowing the local slang - adding 'mate' to the end of your sentences just sounds more Australian.
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- tankenmate 11y ago> Most people don't realize that a language's accent is a physical thing. Your throat, nose, tongue behave differently when speaking different languages. As an example, if you read Irish writing and learn the Irish vowel and consonant sounds / rules you can't help speaking with an Irish accent. E.g. Dun Laoghaire is pronounced Dun Leary with an English accent, but if you read it properly it comes out in an Irish accent.
- etqwzutewzu 11y ago> Most people don't realize that a language's accent is a physical thing. Your throat, nose, tongue behave differently when speaking different languages. If you're French, you can't speak English while keeping the same physical arrangement of your mouth and throat than when you speak French. Interesting theory but as a counterexample in Switzerland in the western side of the country people speak French natively and generally their English accent is way better than the English accent in French people. I think it has a lot to do with the culture of the country; for example the protection of the language is not considered as important in Switzerland as it is in France. In France radio stations have minimun quota for French music, something unthinkable in Switzerland.