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What I Learned from Tickling Apes

49 points by pmcpinto 11y ago

cLeEOGPw 11y ago
Problem is that many people feel a desperate need to be special. A thought that an animal can have same feelings, thoughts and behaviors is terrifying to them. Especially if that person have been raised in western culture.
jack9 11y ago
He learned how to bait people into his views about anthropomorphism.
- proksoup 11y ago
  > Laughter? Now wait a minute! A real scientist should avoid any and all anthropomorphism, which is why hard-nosed colleagues often ask us to change our terminology. Why not call the ape’s reaction something neutral, like, say, vocalized panting? That way we avoid confusion between the human and the animal. These "real scientists" seem very anthropocentric in their rules about not anthropomorphizing animals. I feel like he's attacking a straw man ... I'd rather hear more about these anthropocentric real scientists he's railing against, his railing isn't doing much for me without context.
  - evv555 11y ago
    For some context do a search for "infant surgery without anesthesia". Allegedly infant surgeries were routinely done without anesthesia into the 70's. It was believed babies do not really feel pain and we are just anthropomorphizing their reflexive responses. Anthropomorphization is a real phenomena that needs to be taken into account but so is the use of skepticism as a tool for rationalizing established beliefs.
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    - pvaldes 11y ago
      > It was believed babies do not really feel pain Or maybe it was because too many anesthesia can easily kill a baby and the other option was seen as safer and better for his/her life. Not all in the history of the humanity is necessarily related with the new painphobia wave. In any case that history about paralized babies and evil surgeons seems entirely or mostly faked to me, telled in the most truculent way possible to elicit a visceral reaction and attract donors or gain social cookies.
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teslaberry 11y ago
coining another term 'denialism'. i'm certain that will go far towards the author's implied goal of helping foster critical thinking in her audience. sarcasm aside, you have a new nomenclature of dogma. blablablalbla..'science''....denialism. CAUSE ITS' THE SCIENTIFIC HONEST TO DARWIN TRUTH YO!. this is how science becomes like religion. a new dogma that cannot be questioned, replete with it's own pseudo-scientific jargon, and thus, is genuinely anti-scientific in scope and world view. ...........the irony.

49 points by pmcpinto 11y ago

Problem is that many people feel a desperate need to be special. A thought that an animal can have same feelings, thoughts and behaviors is terrifying to them. Especially if that person have been raised in western culture.

jack9 11y ago

He learned how to bait people into his views about anthropomorphism.

proksoup 11y ago
> Laughter? Now wait a minute! A real scientist should avoid any and all anthropomorphism, which is why hard-nosed colleagues often ask us to change our terminology. Why not call the ape’s reaction something neutral, like, say, vocalized panting? That way we avoid confusion between the human and the animal. These "real scientists" seem very anthropocentric in their rules about not anthropomorphizing animals. I feel like he's attacking a straw man ... I'd rather hear more about these anthropocentric real scientists he's railing against, his railing isn't doing much for me without context.
- evv555 11y ago
  For some context do a search for "infant surgery without anesthesia". Allegedly infant surgeries were routinely done without anesthesia into the 70's. It was believed babies do not really feel pain and we are just anthropomorphizing their reflexive responses. Anthropomorphization is a real phenomena that needs to be taken into account but so is the use of skepticism as a tool for rationalizing established beliefs.
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  - pvaldes 11y ago
    > It was believed babies do not really feel pain Or maybe it was because too many anesthesia can easily kill a baby and the other option was seen as safer and better for his/her life. Not all in the history of the humanity is necessarily related with the new painphobia wave. In any case that history about paralized babies and evil surgeons seems entirely or mostly faked to me, telled in the most truculent way possible to elicit a visceral reaction and attract donors or gain social cookies.
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teslaberry 11y ago

coining another term 'denialism'. i'm certain that will go far towards the author's implied goal of helping foster critical thinking in her audience. sarcasm aside, you have a new nomenclature of dogma. blablablalbla..'science''....denialism. CAUSE ITS' THE SCIENTIFIC HONEST TO DARWIN TRUTH YO!. this is how science becomes like religion. a new dogma that cannot be questioned, replete with it's own pseudo-scientific jargon, and thus, is genuinely anti-scientific in scope and world view. ...........the irony.