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Bare Metal has lots of practical applications: Docker, CI, Databases... However, I have no idea how Scaleaway is getting away with selling a Bare Metal server

Bare Metal has lots of practical applications: Docker, CI, Databases... However, I have no idea how Scaleaway is getting away with selling a Bare Metal server with 6 cores, 8GB memory, and 200GB of SSD disk for 10 euros a month. That's just doesn't make any financial sense. If you're looking for a solid and reputable Bare Metal provider that allows you provision on demand all with a great control panel and API check out https://packet.net https://packet.net.

fweespee_ch 11y ago
I'm just going to nuke this post since the consensus seems to be its offensive somehow. :P
- nodesocket 11y ago
  https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ I'm talk about this pricing (bare metal) not the blog post for VPS. I'd appreciate toning down the douchiness.
- RussianCow 11y ago
  > You are attacking someone who has been in business longer than the service you are advocating on the basis of you knowing their financial situation better than they do. Maybe you should consider that isn't a good position to be taking in general rather than resorting to personal attacks? I think you're seriously overreacting. You could have easily responded to the OP's point without the condescension and calling them "clueless". I didn't think the OP seemed like an attack at all, rather just skepticism. Your response, however, seems very much like an unwarranted personal attack.
drdaeman 11y ago
Took a look at their pricing page. That trend of showing per-hour fraction-of-dollar pricing is really disturbing. Who rents a host for an hour? (Well, I can surely imagine use cases, like spawning a beefy host for a day while getting abnormally high traffic, but I seriously doubt it's common.) Type 0: $0.05/hour ≈ $36.50/mo; Type 1: $0.40/hour ≈ $292/mo; Type 2: $1.00/hour ≈ $730/mo; Type 3: $1.70/hour ≈ $1277.5/mo
- nodesocket 11y ago
  The idea is servers are immutable and throw away. Just because they are bare metal does not mean they have to sustain long lives.
- hollander 11y ago
  On Amazon AWS you can fire up an expensive server for half an hour or even ten minutes, to do some calculations that would otherwise take days. You can even fire up 100 of those servers for 1/100th of the time if you can do that calculation in parallel. This all can be scripted, and that makes it very powerful. Another use case is Streisand, the VPN service that you can install on your laptop. You need an AWS account, keys etc, and then you can start up one small server as vpn for one or two hours, or for twenty minutes, each time with a different IP, from data centers all over the world. Need a server in Asia? In the EU or the US? It can set this up within the minute, if you have it configured properly. So there are use cases for these services with price per minute. The problem with Scaleway is that they don't have the really expensive servers, and they don't have the scripting if I'm correct. I do have a server running there, cheap and not in the US, and it does its job properly.
  - dsp1234 11y ago
    I'm not sure the above commenter is unaware of cloud services priced by the hour. The question is more about bare metal hosts being priced in this way, which is somewhat unusual. For what you're discussing, then a VPS/shared/dedicated VM host is more than appropriate. But generally, when companies are going bare metal, they are not doing so for hours at a time. So the question still remains, what is the use case for an hourly billed bare metal server?
    - zsmith928 11y ago
      Howdy - Zac here from Packet. The clients of ours that leverage the by-the-hour model generally use the same devops tools (Terraform, Docker Machine, Ansible, etc) against our API to provision and orchestrate bare metal that they would against AWS or DO to do the same with VM's. The use case drivers for those who choose bare metal often seem to be price/performance ratios, network, bring your own hypervisor or not use one, etc.
teamhappy 11y ago
> Bare Metal server with 6 cores, 8GB memory, > and 200GB of SSD disk for 10 euros a month Are you sure they are bare metal servers? The blog posts doesn't mention anything like that and the pricing page misses the word "dedicated".
- SunDwarf 11y ago
  C2s and C1s are bare metal. VC1s are virtual.
mtgx 11y ago
They're using Atom-based (old 2008 pre-Silvermont Atom architecture) Avoton "microserver chips" that Intel launched in 2013: https://blog.scaleway.com/2016/03/08/c2-insanely-affordable-x64-servers/ https://blog.scaleway.com/2016/03/08/c2-insanely-affordable-... http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2292691/intel-launches-avoton-as-atom-c2000-system-on-a-chip-for-data-centres http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2292691/intel-launches-avoton... If you want cheap VPS with good performance and reliability you may want to take a look at these as well: http://vpsdime.com/ http://vpsdime.com/ https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/vps-ssd.xml https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/vps-ssd.xml https://www.prometeus.net/site/vps.php https://www.prometeus.net/site/vps.php https://www.prometeus.net/site/kvm-vps.php https://www.prometeus.net/site/kvm-vps.php I don't think either are using Atom. VPSDime is just overselling, but I haven't heard anyone complain about been bottlenecked, so they probably do it in a smart way (taking resources from those who don't use them fully).
ryanlol 11y ago
>However, I have no idea how Scaleaway is getting away with selling a Bare Metal server with 6 cores, 8GB memory, and 200GB of SSD disk for 10 euros a month. That's just doesn't make any financial sense. Where are you getting that from? The hardware is ancient and completely worthless. They could very well be building these servers for high double digits. (Although I'd be more inclined to guess around $200, if they're actually buying the parts.) If they're not just reusing old online.net gear, that is.

fweespee_ch 11y ago

I'm just going to nuke this post since the consensus seems to be its offensive somehow. :P

nodesocket 11y ago
https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ I'm talk about this pricing (bare metal) not the blog post for VPS. I'd appreciate toning down the douchiness.
RussianCow 11y ago
> You are attacking someone who has been in business longer than the service you are advocating on the basis of you knowing their financial situation better than they do. Maybe you should consider that isn't a good position to be taking in general rather than resorting to personal attacks? I think you're seriously overreacting. You could have easily responded to the OP's point without the condescension and calling them "clueless". I didn't think the OP seemed like an attack at all, rather just skepticism. Your response, however, seems very much like an unwarranted personal attack.

drdaeman 11y ago

Took a look at their pricing page. That trend of showing per-hour fraction-of-dollar pricing is really disturbing. Who rents a host for an hour? (Well, I can surely imagine use cases, like spawning a beefy host for a day while getting abnormally high traffic, but I seriously doubt it's common.) Type 0: $0.05/hour ≈ $36.50/mo; Type 1: $0.40/hour ≈ $292/mo; Type 2: $1.00/hour ≈ $730/mo; Type 3: $1.70/hour ≈ $1277.5/mo

nodesocket 11y ago
The idea is servers are immutable and throw away. Just because they are bare metal does not mean they have to sustain long lives.
hollander 11y ago
On Amazon AWS you can fire up an expensive server for half an hour or even ten minutes, to do some calculations that would otherwise take days. You can even fire up 100 of those servers for 1/100th of the time if you can do that calculation in parallel. This all can be scripted, and that makes it very powerful. Another use case is Streisand, the VPN service that you can install on your laptop. You need an AWS account, keys etc, and then you can start up one small server as vpn for one or two hours, or for twenty minutes, each time with a different IP, from data centers all over the world. Need a server in Asia? In the EU or the US? It can set this up within the minute, if you have it configured properly. So there are use cases for these services with price per minute. The problem with Scaleway is that they don't have the really expensive servers, and they don't have the scripting if I'm correct. I do have a server running there, cheap and not in the US, and it does its job properly.
- dsp1234 11y ago
  I'm not sure the above commenter is unaware of cloud services priced by the hour. The question is more about bare metal hosts being priced in this way, which is somewhat unusual. For what you're discussing, then a VPS/shared/dedicated VM host is more than appropriate. But generally, when companies are going bare metal, they are not doing so for hours at a time. So the question still remains, what is the use case for an hourly billed bare metal server?
  - zsmith928 11y ago
    Howdy - Zac here from Packet. The clients of ours that leverage the by-the-hour model generally use the same devops tools (Terraform, Docker Machine, Ansible, etc) against our API to provision and orchestrate bare metal that they would against AWS or DO to do the same with VM's. The use case drivers for those who choose bare metal often seem to be price/performance ratios, network, bring your own hypervisor or not use one, etc.

teamhappy 11y ago

> Bare Metal server with 6 cores, 8GB memory, > and 200GB of SSD disk for 10 euros a month Are you sure they are bare metal servers? The blog posts doesn't mention anything like that and the pricing page misses the word "dedicated".

SunDwarf 11y ago
C2s and C1s are bare metal. VC1s are virtual.

mtgx 11y ago

They're using Atom-based (old 2008 pre-Silvermont Atom architecture) Avoton "microserver chips" that Intel launched in 2013: https://blog.scaleway.com/2016/03/08/c2-insanely-affordable-x64-servers/ https://blog.scaleway.com/2016/03/08/c2-insanely-affordable-... http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2292691/intel-launches-avoton-as-atom-c2000-system-on-a-chip-for-data-centres http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2292691/intel-launches-avoton... If you want cheap VPS with good performance and reliability you may want to take a look at these as well: http://vpsdime.com/ http://vpsdime.com/ https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/vps-ssd.xml https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/vps-ssd.xml https://www.prometeus.net/site/vps.php https://www.prometeus.net/site/vps.php https://www.prometeus.net/site/kvm-vps.php https://www.prometeus.net/site/kvm-vps.php I don't think either are using Atom. VPSDime is just overselling, but I haven't heard anyone complain about been bottlenecked, so they probably do it in a smart way (taking resources from those who don't use them fully).

ryanlol 11y ago

>However, I have no idea how Scaleaway is getting away with selling a Bare Metal server with 6 cores, 8GB memory, and 200GB of SSD disk for 10 euros a month. That's just doesn't make any financial sense. Where are you getting that from? The hardware is ancient and completely worthless. They could very well be building these servers for high double digits. (Although I'd be more inclined to guess around $200, if they're actually buying the parts.) If they're not just reusing old online.net gear, that is.