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Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what Americans want - a big scandal around Clinton that would land Trumpet in charge.

by d33 11y ago

1024core 11y ago
It's not a dichotomy. You're forgetting Bernie Sanders.
- Absentinsomniac 11y ago
  Ya, pretty sure Sanders does better in polls against Trump than Clinton anyways.
  - kbenson 11y ago
    I assume you were downvoted because people thought you were making a snide remark or joke. Sanders polling better against Trump is supposedly[1] a fact, and has been repeated often. Not sure why people would jump to downvoting you for something they didn't really know much about. 1: "Supposedly" because the polls I just looked up seemed to be nearly identical for Sanders or Clinton vs Trump, with Democrats at ~50% and Trump at ~38%.
    - michaelmrose 11y ago
      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/ge... http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/ge... spread is an average of clinton +10% vs sanders at +16%
      - kbenson 11y ago
        Ah, thanks. The Clinton Poll you referenced is one that I saw, the Sanders one was from another source (which I tried to avoid, but I was only willing to put so much effort into it).
    - SyneRyder 11y ago
      While this isn't polling as such, I've found the FiveThirtyEight Facebook map of candidates to be intriguing. When you drop out the other candidates, Trump vs Sanders is still a competition as you'd expect, but Trump vs Clinton... she barely shows up. Her number of Likes is surprisingly low. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/facebook-primary/ http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/facebook-primary/ I'd usually ignore Facebook likes, and FiveThirtyEight insists it's for fun as well. However, their throwaway comment "If Facebook likes were votes... Donald Trump [would] garner more support than Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio combined" has actually proven to be accurate.
      - astaroth360 11y ago
        If Facebook likes were votes Sanders would be trouncing Clinton in the polls and Trump would be the only person left running for the Republicans. However, people discussing politics on Facebook tends to be completely toxic and representative of the most enthusiastic, sometimes vitriolic, people around. It's very, very different than the layout of voters as a whole.
        SyneRyder 11y ago
        I agree with your opinion of politics & Facebook, it's one of the reasons I ended up closing my Facebook account. But the Facebook likes on the Republican side are closer to the current delegate counts (as of April 6) than I would have expected. If you narrow down to Trump, Cruz, Rubio & Kasich: Trump: 48% Delegates, 53% Republican Likes Cruz: 32% Delegates, 28% Republican Likes Rubio: 11% Delegates, 16% Republican Likes Kasich: 9% Delegates, 3% Republican Likes Though if you add Carson back in, it stops matching up. And certainly the Facebook Like counts don't match delegate counts on the Democrat side. But I thought it was odd how closely the Facebook figures were matching for the Republicans.
grej 11y ago
That is a false choice that the Clinton campaign would love for you to believe. In actuality, the FBI investigation alone would have derailed any other candidate, now this... For all the talk about Trump being teflon, it sure seems Hillary has the some of the same "teflon-ness" Sanders has won 7 out of the last 8 primaries and yet Clinton, with all her legal baggage and ethical issues, is still the presumed frontrunner.
- maxerickson 11y ago
  His required take of the remaining delegates has increased after several of those primaries/caucuses. So he has won the supposed coin flips that the media talks about and lost ground when you analyze the delegate counts.
- yolesaber 11y ago
  I was talking about this with a friend last night. Think of all the scandals the Clintons have endured - from Whitewater to Travelgate to Lewinsky to Benghazi...and yet nothing has impeded them. That either means they are in fact predominantly innocent (I think we can rule this out, mostly...) or that they are just such masters of politic and influence that they are able to fend off any investigations into them. Seriously, Clinton lied about cheating on his wife on national television and yet people still love him. They are a very intriguing couple. I eagerly await a Caro-esque look at their role in US history.
- burkaman 11y ago
  It's not "presumed", she is literally the frontrunner by definition, with more votes and more pledged delegates. You're still winning a race even if someone is catching up.
- HelloMcFly 11y ago
  Clinton leads in pledged delegates, superdelegates, and the popular vote. Her presumption as the front-runner is factual and earned. Take away the superdelegates and she's still clearly the frontrunner.
- jonknee 11y ago
  > In actuality, the FBI investigation alone would have derailed any other candidate, now this... In actuality the investigation would never have happened for any other candidate. The Clintons are scrutinized far more than any other American politicians. (The email scandal came out of the ridiculous Benghazi investigations that the GOP kept running again and again.)

Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what Americans want - a big scandal around Clinton that would land Trumpet in charge.

by d33 11y ago

Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what Americans want - a big scandal around Clinton that would land Trumpet in charge.

1024core 11y ago

It's not a dichotomy. You're forgetting Bernie Sanders.

Absentinsomniac 11y ago
Ya, pretty sure Sanders does better in polls against Trump than Clinton anyways.
- kbenson 11y ago
  I assume you were downvoted because people thought you were making a snide remark or joke. Sanders polling better against Trump is supposedly[1] a fact, and has been repeated often. Not sure why people would jump to downvoting you for something they didn't really know much about. 1: "Supposedly" because the polls I just looked up seemed to be nearly identical for Sanders or Clinton vs Trump, with Democrats at ~50% and Trump at ~38%.
  - michaelmrose 11y ago
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/ge... http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/ge... spread is an average of clinton +10% vs sanders at +16%
    - kbenson 11y ago
      Ah, thanks. The Clinton Poll you referenced is one that I saw, the Sanders one was from another source (which I tried to avoid, but I was only willing to put so much effort into it).
  - SyneRyder 11y ago
    While this isn't polling as such, I've found the FiveThirtyEight Facebook map of candidates to be intriguing. When you drop out the other candidates, Trump vs Sanders is still a competition as you'd expect, but Trump vs Clinton... she barely shows up. Her number of Likes is surprisingly low. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/facebook-primary/ http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/facebook-primary/ I'd usually ignore Facebook likes, and FiveThirtyEight insists it's for fun as well. However, their throwaway comment "If Facebook likes were votes... Donald Trump [would] garner more support than Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio combined" has actually proven to be accurate.
    - astaroth360 11y ago
      If Facebook likes were votes Sanders would be trouncing Clinton in the polls and Trump would be the only person left running for the Republicans. However, people discussing politics on Facebook tends to be completely toxic and representative of the most enthusiastic, sometimes vitriolic, people around. It's very, very different than the layout of voters as a whole.
      - SyneRyder 11y ago
        I agree with your opinion of politics & Facebook, it's one of the reasons I ended up closing my Facebook account. But the Facebook likes on the Republican side are closer to the current delegate counts (as of April 6) than I would have expected. If you narrow down to Trump, Cruz, Rubio & Kasich: Trump: 48% Delegates, 53% Republican Likes Cruz: 32% Delegates, 28% Republican Likes Rubio: 11% Delegates, 16% Republican Likes Kasich: 9% Delegates, 3% Republican Likes Though if you add Carson back in, it stops matching up. And certainly the Facebook Like counts don't match delegate counts on the Democrat side. But I thought it was odd how closely the Facebook figures were matching for the Republicans.

grej 11y ago

That is a false choice that the Clinton campaign would love for you to believe. In actuality, the FBI investigation alone would have derailed any other candidate, now this... For all the talk about Trump being teflon, it sure seems Hillary has the some of the same "teflon-ness" Sanders has won 7 out of the last 8 primaries and yet Clinton, with all her legal baggage and ethical issues, is still the presumed frontrunner.

maxerickson 11y ago
His required take of the remaining delegates has increased after several of those primaries/caucuses. So he has won the supposed coin flips that the media talks about and lost ground when you analyze the delegate counts.
yolesaber 11y ago
I was talking about this with a friend last night. Think of all the scandals the Clintons have endured - from Whitewater to Travelgate to Lewinsky to Benghazi...and yet nothing has impeded them. That either means they are in fact predominantly innocent (I think we can rule this out, mostly...) or that they are just such masters of politic and influence that they are able to fend off any investigations into them. Seriously, Clinton lied about cheating on his wife on national television and yet people still love him. They are a very intriguing couple. I eagerly await a Caro-esque look at their role in US history.
burkaman 11y ago
It's not "presumed", she is literally the frontrunner by definition, with more votes and more pledged delegates. You're still winning a race even if someone is catching up.
HelloMcFly 11y ago
Clinton leads in pledged delegates, superdelegates, and the popular vote. Her presumption as the front-runner is factual and earned. Take away the superdelegates and she's still clearly the frontrunner.
jonknee 11y ago
> In actuality, the FBI investigation alone would have derailed any other candidate, now this... In actuality the investigation would never have happened for any other candidate. The Clintons are scrutinized far more than any other American politicians. (The email scandal came out of the ridiculous Benghazi investigations that the GOP kept running again and again.)