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Also you need to realise that the wage in the Uk is lower than elsewhere. They have lower employment tax, etc. The average wage in the UK is £24k. This is take

Also you need to realise that the wage in the Uk is lower than elsewhere. They have lower employment tax, etc. The average wage in the UK is £24k. This is take home more money than people who get paid €45k in Germany.

UK-AL 11y ago
But that's pretty low salary for london. Bankers/Accountants/Professional services, 45k is first job level for london. It's just programming in general in UK, isn't that highly paid.
- zeemonkee3 11y ago
  > It's just programming in general in UK, isn't that highly paid. Why is that? Lack of demand/anaemic tech industry, lack of respect for developers, or too many developers?
  - petercooper 11y ago
    British companies aren't very tech focused and there's an oversupply of "good enough" developers for those sorts of companies.
    - zeemonkee3 11y ago
      Sounds like the best bet for a British developer (if possible) is move to the US or work remotely for a US company.
  - J-dawg 11y ago
    Here's a previous 'Ask HN' question I asked about this. There are some interesting comments about UK management culture. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10987237 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10987237
- wastedhours 11y ago
  Whilst not quite at the 45k level, I'm on more in marketing in London than I would be doing RoR work at a similar experience level. Probably better career progression and increases on the developer side though. Think it's partly because there are very few specific dev shops, and most of the roles are in-house where development is a support activity rather than the meat.
- johnnyfaehell 11y ago
  I think this Could be an eu thing. I've moved to Berlin and while wages here are cheaper than the rest of Germany I still see a lot of companies looking for senior guys who think paying 55k is asking a lot. They really start going what when I'm asking for 65k€. All while paying other departments ok. Like one company I seen them paying 40-50k for their devs while paying 40k to a finance assistant (literally the person they loan out to other department to do ask people to sign forms and stuff.)

UK-AL 11y ago

But that's pretty low salary for london. Bankers/Accountants/Professional services, 45k is first job level for london. It's just programming in general in UK, isn't that highly paid.

zeemonkee3 11y ago
> It's just programming in general in UK, isn't that highly paid. Why is that? Lack of demand/anaemic tech industry, lack of respect for developers, or too many developers?
- petercooper 11y ago
  British companies aren't very tech focused and there's an oversupply of "good enough" developers for those sorts of companies.
  - zeemonkee3 11y ago
    Sounds like the best bet for a British developer (if possible) is move to the US or work remotely for a US company.
- J-dawg 11y ago
  Here's a previous 'Ask HN' question I asked about this. There are some interesting comments about UK management culture. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10987237 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10987237
wastedhours 11y ago
Whilst not quite at the 45k level, I'm on more in marketing in London than I would be doing RoR work at a similar experience level. Probably better career progression and increases on the developer side though. Think it's partly because there are very few specific dev shops, and most of the roles are in-house where development is a support activity rather than the meat.
johnnyfaehell 11y ago
I think this Could be an eu thing. I've moved to Berlin and while wages here are cheaper than the rest of Germany I still see a lot of companies looking for senior guys who think paying 55k is asking a lot. They really start going what when I'm asking for 65k€. All while paying other departments ok. Like one company I seen them paying 40-50k for their devs while paying 40k to a finance assistant (literally the person they loan out to other department to do ask people to sign forms and stuff.)