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This analysis demonstrates how people just take sound bites, package them, and then spout it out in arguments. The Democrats party pushed forward on healthcare

by Agustus 11y ago

This analysis demonstrates how people just take sound bites, package them, and then spout it out in arguments. The Democrats party pushed forward on healthcare reform. The tide was moving that something had to be done and there was movement to look at this, however, there were many different policies being proposed; President Obama was lying when he said "No one" has suggested other options, I know for a fact that I sent him an e-mail containing alternatives to those he was going for. Romneycare was not liked within the Republican party, the concepts of what it took to enact, what it required to run, and what it asked of its populace were not well received. So, just because he was the one who tried it, does not mean that the entirety of the Republican party supported it. So, yes, the Democrats stirred the opposing party's populist sentiment through many policy decisions that affected them. The Republican party members argued that the healthcare reform proposed by the Democrat party was ridiculous, would raise rates, and affect those who were independent business owners. As we sit here, rates are higher, the reforms are not occurring, and independent business owners are downgrading employees left and right (good pun Agustus) from full-time to part-time. Finally, it's all politics. Joe Biden was in the same position on another supreme court nominee and did the same thing. It is all political. The media reports that he is a centrist, but based on my reviews of his opinions, he is left leaning with a few moments of conservatism; which is the optics President Obama wants to force a stand-off with the parties.

wwweston 11y ago
> President Obama was lying when he said "No one" has suggested other options, I know for a fact that I sent him an e-mail containing alternatives to those he was going for. If you're suggesting that Obama has at any point contended that there were no other policy alternatives besides what ended up in the PP/ACA, I don't know what to tell you. Feel free to cite the statement you're sure he was lying about, though, I'm sure it will pair well with your own statement about the problem of people taking sound bites and packaging them. Sadly, I do think it's likely Obama ignored your personal email containing our nation's policy solutions. > just because [Romney] was the one who tried it, does not mean that the entirety of the Republican party supported it. Sure, I don't expect the entirety of the Republican party to have supported it; the entirety of the Democratic party didn't. And among those that did there are many who'd be the first to tell you they think it could be improved (including Obama himself). Given past endorsement and even adoption from some Republican segments with conservative bona fides any reasonable person would have expected some support, if the Republican party were actually doing policy at all rather than pure theater. > The Republican party members argued that the healthcare reform proposed by the Democrat party was ridiculous, would raise rates, and affect those who were independent business owners. The Republican party also argued that it would create government death panels, provide free care for all illegal immigrants, micromanage doctors, bring on a totalitarian state, that it was too big/too complicated, would bankrupt/enrich private insurers, bankrupt the country, etc etc. Many arguments were made about the reform. Very few of those that took place in the public sphere were in any way about the actual policy. Most of yours aren't, either. Nor is it clear that your perception of what is actually happening is accurate: > As we sit here, rates are higher Increasing rates have been a fact of life in the insurance market for decades. All PP/ACA had to do in order to be an improvement was slow down the rate of increase: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2015/11/12/388800.htm http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2015/11/12/388... > the reforms are not occurring Since I'm personally acquainted with people who now have access to insurance and care, I think it's safe to call this false on that basis alone. Or we could talk about how the socialists at Forbes magazine reported that the cost curve was already starting to bend circa 2013: http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/02/12/new-data-suggests-obamacare-is-actually-bending-the-healthcare-cost-curve/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/02/12/new-data-su... > independent business owners are downgrading employees left and right (good pun Agustus) from full-time to part-time. "Are Republicans right that employers are capping workers’ hours to avoid offering health insurance? The evidence suggests the answer is 'yes,' although the number of workers affected is fairly small." http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/yes-some-companies-are-cutting-hours-in-response-to-obamacare/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/yes-some-companies-are-c... Again, there are people among the Democrats (Obama included) who'd be the first to admit that PP/ACA was the legislation they could get passed back in 2010 rather than ideal. There have been actual invitations to revisit the policy and see if we could improve on some of the known flaws, including this one. > Finally, it's all politics. Joe Biden was in the same position on another supreme court nominee and did the same thing. Describe, exactly, what you think "the same thing" is.

by Agustus 11y ago

wwweston 11y ago

> President Obama was lying when he said "No one" has suggested other options, I know for a fact that I sent him an e-mail containing alternatives to those he was going for. If you're suggesting that Obama has at any point contended that there were no other policy alternatives besides what ended up in the PP/ACA, I don't know what to tell you. Feel free to cite the statement you're sure he was lying about, though, I'm sure it will pair well with your own statement about the problem of people taking sound bites and packaging them. Sadly, I do think it's likely Obama ignored your personal email containing our nation's policy solutions. > just because [Romney] was the one who tried it, does not mean that the entirety of the Republican party supported it. Sure, I don't expect the entirety of the Republican party to have supported it; the entirety of the Democratic party didn't. And among those that did there are many who'd be the first to tell you they think it could be improved (including Obama himself). Given past endorsement and even adoption from some Republican segments with conservative bona fides any reasonable person would have expected some support, if the Republican party were actually doing policy at all rather than pure theater. > The Republican party members argued that the healthcare reform proposed by the Democrat party was ridiculous, would raise rates, and affect those who were independent business owners. The Republican party also argued that it would create government death panels, provide free care for all illegal immigrants, micromanage doctors, bring on a totalitarian state, that it was too big/too complicated, would bankrupt/enrich private insurers, bankrupt the country, etc etc. Many arguments were made about the reform. Very few of those that took place in the public sphere were in any way about the actual policy. Most of yours aren't, either. Nor is it clear that your perception of what is actually happening is accurate: > As we sit here, rates are higher Increasing rates have been a fact of life in the insurance market for decades. All PP/ACA had to do in order to be an improvement was slow down the rate of increase: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2015/11/12/388800.htm http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2015/11/12/388... > the reforms are not occurring Since I'm personally acquainted with people who now have access to insurance and care, I think it's safe to call this false on that basis alone. Or we could talk about how the socialists at Forbes magazine reported that the cost curve was already starting to bend circa 2013: http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/02/12/new-data-suggests-obamacare-is-actually-bending-the-healthcare-cost-curve/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/02/12/new-data-su... > independent business owners are downgrading employees left and right (good pun Agustus) from full-time to part-time. "Are Republicans right that employers are capping workers’ hours to avoid offering health insurance? The evidence suggests the answer is 'yes,' although the number of workers affected is fairly small." http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/yes-some-companies-are-cutting-hours-in-response-to-obamacare/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/yes-some-companies-are-c... Again, there are people among the Democrats (Obama included) who'd be the first to admit that PP/ACA was the legislation they could get passed back in 2010 rather than ideal. There have been actual invitations to revisit the policy and see if we could improve on some of the known flaws, including this one. > Finally, it's all politics. Joe Biden was in the same position on another supreme court nominee and did the same thing. Describe, exactly, what you think "the same thing" is.