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I can really relate to your post. I heard about go at a time when i was angry against python for having no type hinting and started to see people build tools pa

by bsaul 11y ago

I can really relate to your post. I heard about go at a time when i was angry against python for having no type hinting and started to see people build tools parsing types in code comments, and at the same time being furious against the gigantic bloat that the java enterprise web frameworks had become. So, as you said, when i looked at go being a smart and small with a modern standard lib, and being modern in a way with its approach to interface programming i thought i would fall in love with it. Then i saw go didn't have a single generic function for comparing two numbers, because the language wasn't generic enough, and i felt hugely disappointed.

infogulch 11y ago
Why would you even want that? I mean, I've heard the generics argument before, and I'll accept that they are important for some applications (esp custom data structures). But lack of a generic `Cmp` is the straw that broke the camel's back?
sievebrain 11y ago
If you avoid Spring, you can find some pretty nice and straightforward web frameworks in the Java space. The reason they often seem bloated is simply because they've been around a long time and so have accumulated many features. If you want something similar to the Go standard library HTTP server, there is this one that comes with the JDK out of the box. Most people don't know it's there though, as technically it's not a part of the Java platform, it's just something that comes bundled with the standard JDK: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/jre/api/net/httpserver/spec/com/sun/net/httpserver/HttpServer.html https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/jre/api/net/httpserver... If you're building a serious app you will want support for more advanced stuff. That's when you can upgrade either to a better HTTP server like Jetty, or to a full web framework that bundles templating, authentication, database access, session management and all the rest. Play! Framework is quite well known. It ignores all the standard enterprise Java conventions in order to be a lot more opinionated. If you like their opinions, that sort of approach can be way lighter.

by bsaul 11y ago

infogulch 11y ago

Why would you even want that? I mean, I've heard the generics argument before, and I'll accept that they are important for some applications (esp custom data structures). But lack of a generic `Cmp` is the straw that broke the camel's back?

sievebrain 11y ago

If you avoid Spring, you can find some pretty nice and straightforward web frameworks in the Java space. The reason they often seem bloated is simply because they've been around a long time and so have accumulated many features. If you want something similar to the Go standard library HTTP server, there is this one that comes with the JDK out of the box. Most people don't know it's there though, as technically it's not a part of the Java platform, it's just something that comes bundled with the standard JDK: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/jre/api/net/httpserver/spec/com/sun/net/httpserver/HttpServer.html https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/jre/api/net/httpserver... If you're building a serious app you will want support for more advanced stuff. That's when you can upgrade either to a better HTTP server like Jetty, or to a full web framework that bundles templating, authentication, database access, session management and all the rest. Play! Framework is quite well known. It ignores all the standard enterprise Java conventions in order to be a lot more opinionated. If you like their opinions, that sort of approach can be way lighter.