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The Debunkers of a Gay Marriage Study Just Re-Bunked It, Sort Of

18 points by tokenadult 11y ago

powera 11y ago
I find the article's implication that replication of scientific studies is something invented at Yale in the 21st century beyond preposterous. And I'm certain that "Re-Bunked" isn't actually a word.
- freshhawk 11y ago
  They implied that actually doing the replication of already published studies in the social sciences being considered a normal thing was the result, for these researchers, of being exposed to this attitude at Yale. I don't know Yale, but I know enough to know this attitude had to come from somewhere, since the norm is that replication is not just unrewarded, but often actively discouraged. Hence the generally shittiness of social science results. This seems to be changing as the results of the combination of WEIRD bias, the filedrawer effect, these social norms and other problems have been recognized and done serious damage to the reputation of the social sciences (for good reason).
- pasquinelli 11y ago
  sure rebunk's a word. they may be using the word in a strange way, i can't say, since they don't like my ad blocker, but the "bunk" in debunk is just the old-time way of saying bullshit, and the "de" is the prefix relating removal, like debug or dehydrate. no reason "re" can't be attached to bunk in the same way, yielding another verb.
PhasmaFelis 11y ago
Wired now appears to block adblocking browsers, and then hits you with a large, autoplaying video ad if you whitelist them. Is this story covered elsewhere?
- dogma1138 11y ago
  just hit the stop button after the text loads or use google cache.
- e40 11y ago
  Use uBlock Origin and the 3rd-party filter "Anti-Adblock Killer | Reek‎" turned on. Works fine.
  - eridius 11y ago
    I use the regular uBlock (Safari here) but it lists the same filter. I turned it on and it didn't work. Are you sure it's not some other filter or plugin you have installed that's blocking this one? Edit: Nevermind. After I clicked "Purge all caches" it immediately offered an update to that list, and after updating it works now. I don't know why it didn't offer this update originally since I hadn't had the filter enabled before. Edit 2: Oops, it still doesn't work. It just waited until I started scrolling before displaying this time. I wonder if Wired is just A/B testing different approaches, including not having the blocker at all, and you just got lucky?
    - retbull 11y ago
      Don't use regular ublock it isn't well maintained and lets ads through for money.
      - eridius 11y ago
        I've never heard that it lets ads through for money, nor have I ever noticed that happening. Also, I don't really have a choice, unless I want to switch to a completely different product. uBlock Origin made the decision to not support Safari despite the original uBlock it was forked from supporting it.
- timcederman 11y ago
  Refresh the page after the block appears, and it'll go away until you keep scrolling (letting you read the text it's currently blocking). Usually you can get through an article after 3-4 refreshes.
danso 11y ago
NYMag had a great indepth piece about how the original study was debunked, and the fallout that occurred: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/05/how-a-grad-student-uncovered-a-huge-fraud.html http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/05/how-a-grad-student-unco... Some of my favorite takeaways from the whole thing: - How you should put time into making impressive-looking data visualizations, and to show them on a nice device. In this story, and a few others, academics and researchers talk about how blown away they were by the research because he had such great visuals: > The iPad thing was LaCour’s trademark. “He was sort of famous for taking his results from different studies he was working on, putting them on an iPad, and buttonholing people at the conferences and going over all of the research that he was doing, the different findings he had, and basically not letting the people go until they had an idea of what he was working on,” says Tim Groeling, a communications professor at UCLA, who is listed as one of LaCour’s references on his curriculum vitae. “It was infectious,” continues Groeling. “Really cool stuff was on that iPad.” - There is an online forum that is pretty much like 4chan for the polisci community...this is where the study unraveled, in between all the anonymous shittalking and rumors about who's getting tenure and who they fucked to get it.

18 points by tokenadult 11y ago

I find the article's implication that replication of scientific studies is something invented at Yale in the 21st century beyond preposterous. And I'm certain that "Re-Bunked" isn't actually a word.

freshhawk 11y ago
They implied that actually doing the replication of already published studies in the social sciences being considered a normal thing was the result, for these researchers, of being exposed to this attitude at Yale. I don't know Yale, but I know enough to know this attitude had to come from somewhere, since the norm is that replication is not just unrewarded, but often actively discouraged. Hence the generally shittiness of social science results. This seems to be changing as the results of the combination of WEIRD bias, the filedrawer effect, these social norms and other problems have been recognized and done serious damage to the reputation of the social sciences (for good reason).
pasquinelli 11y ago
sure rebunk's a word. they may be using the word in a strange way, i can't say, since they don't like my ad blocker, but the "bunk" in debunk is just the old-time way of saying bullshit, and the "de" is the prefix relating removal, like debug or dehydrate. no reason "re" can't be attached to bunk in the same way, yielding another verb.

PhasmaFelis 11y ago

Wired now appears to block adblocking browsers, and then hits you with a large, autoplaying video ad if you whitelist them. Is this story covered elsewhere?

dogma1138 11y ago
just hit the stop button after the text loads or use google cache.
e40 11y ago
Use uBlock Origin and the 3rd-party filter "Anti-Adblock Killer | Reek‎" turned on. Works fine.
- eridius 11y ago
  I use the regular uBlock (Safari here) but it lists the same filter. I turned it on and it didn't work. Are you sure it's not some other filter or plugin you have installed that's blocking this one? Edit: Nevermind. After I clicked "Purge all caches" it immediately offered an update to that list, and after updating it works now. I don't know why it didn't offer this update originally since I hadn't had the filter enabled before. Edit 2: Oops, it still doesn't work. It just waited until I started scrolling before displaying this time. I wonder if Wired is just A/B testing different approaches, including not having the blocker at all, and you just got lucky?
  - retbull 11y ago
    Don't use regular ublock it isn't well maintained and lets ads through for money.
    - eridius 11y ago
      I've never heard that it lets ads through for money, nor have I ever noticed that happening. Also, I don't really have a choice, unless I want to switch to a completely different product. uBlock Origin made the decision to not support Safari despite the original uBlock it was forked from supporting it.
timcederman 11y ago
Refresh the page after the block appears, and it'll go away until you keep scrolling (letting you read the text it's currently blocking). Usually you can get through an article after 3-4 refreshes.

danso 11y ago

NYMag had a great indepth piece about how the original study was debunked, and the fallout that occurred: http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/05/how-a-grad-student-uncovered-a-huge-fraud.html http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/05/how-a-grad-student-unco... Some of my favorite takeaways from the whole thing: - How you should put time into making impressive-looking data visualizations, and to show them on a nice device. In this story, and a few others, academics and researchers talk about how blown away they were by the research because he had such great visuals: > The iPad thing was LaCour’s trademark. “He was sort of famous for taking his results from different studies he was working on, putting them on an iPad, and buttonholing people at the conferences and going over all of the research that he was doing, the different findings he had, and basically not letting the people go until they had an idea of what he was working on,” says Tim Groeling, a communications professor at UCLA, who is listed as one of LaCour’s references on his curriculum vitae. “It was infectious,” continues Groeling. “Really cool stuff was on that iPad.” - There is an online forum that is pretty much like 4chan for the polisci community...this is where the study unraveled, in between all the anonymous shittalking and rumors about who's getting tenure and who they fucked to get it.