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Reads okay, but far from agreeing with this personal point of view. And i think it lacks a lot of proof for some statements e.g. 'It works through matters you

Reads okay, but far from agreeing with this personal point of view. And i think it lacks a lot of proof for some statements e.g. 'It works through matters you can’t address during the day.' I'm curious how you assume this or what papers you read that makes you think this. Being tired can certainly be a badge of honour. It's where for example you continued to get things DONE... and others simply say, tomorrow another day, i don't care what happens after 5PM. It's called responsibility. Though this obviously doesn't apply to everybody in the same way. also please read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_and_creativity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_and_creativity

w0utert 11y ago
>> I'm curious how you assume this or what papers you read that makes you think this. Purely anecdotal, but it happened to me zillions of times that I got completely stuck at a problem at work, only to solve it within a few minutes the next day. I've yet to come across a single developer who doesn't acknowledge that kind of experience is very common. I see it regularly, the longer coworkers trudge along trying to get something done after 10 hours of work, the more problems and crap they produce. I'm not sure why you need more 'proof' that working long hours kills productivity and creativity, and rest (sleep) replenishes it. It seems completely natural, both from experience and from an evolutionary perspective.
- thinkMOAR 11y ago
  Well studies show that lack of sleep doesn't at all kill creativity (and that could lead to productivity too). Also negative experiences create a more clear memory of the event then a positive one. So it's even possible you only remember the times you couldn't come up with the idea that same day vs not having memories of the times you did came up with solution that same day (because, you didn't have to wait till the next day to fix it, which didn't create such a strong memory of that annoying moment).
  - w0utert 11y ago
    And other studies show the opposite... Interestingly, the Wikipedia article you linked yourself references multiple that show sleep deprivation is bad for creativity and productivity. But like I said, I don't need research or other 'proof', the proof is my own experience, which is purely empirical but totally consistent. Do you honestly believe being tired does not affect your performance in mental tasks?
    - thinkMOAR 11y ago
      Well it lists 2 pro studies and 1 against, and it's only more then fair to link both sides/proof. But i think this matter is very person specific; and certainly not as black/white as told. Can't find any studies on this that have been done on twins or triplets, for me that would have been more interesting then subjective personal experience(s). Some people perform better under hard deadlines and pressure, others can't cope with pressure at all. I would not be surprised if same applies to people performing with a lack of rest/sleep. Though I never said or meant to give the idea that it doesn't have any effect, nor if it always have the same affect. I merely wanted to point out there are quite a few cases, situations where i think being tired does warrant a badge of honour. And that going that extra mile, even when super tired, where others give up is (very) honourable. And calling it a day, and accepting you can't find a solution that working day, is not very honourable (in my humble opinion). And yes there is more to life then work, but that's not the point i try to make. :)
GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
I think you're trying to interpret a normative argument as an empirical one.

w0utert 11y ago

>> I'm curious how you assume this or what papers you read that makes you think this. Purely anecdotal, but it happened to me zillions of times that I got completely stuck at a problem at work, only to solve it within a few minutes the next day. I've yet to come across a single developer who doesn't acknowledge that kind of experience is very common. I see it regularly, the longer coworkers trudge along trying to get something done after 10 hours of work, the more problems and crap they produce. I'm not sure why you need more 'proof' that working long hours kills productivity and creativity, and rest (sleep) replenishes it. It seems completely natural, both from experience and from an evolutionary perspective.

thinkMOAR 11y ago
Well studies show that lack of sleep doesn't at all kill creativity (and that could lead to productivity too). Also negative experiences create a more clear memory of the event then a positive one. So it's even possible you only remember the times you couldn't come up with the idea that same day vs not having memories of the times you did came up with solution that same day (because, you didn't have to wait till the next day to fix it, which didn't create such a strong memory of that annoying moment).
- w0utert 11y ago
  And other studies show the opposite... Interestingly, the Wikipedia article you linked yourself references multiple that show sleep deprivation is bad for creativity and productivity. But like I said, I don't need research or other 'proof', the proof is my own experience, which is purely empirical but totally consistent. Do you honestly believe being tired does not affect your performance in mental tasks?
  - thinkMOAR 11y ago
    Well it lists 2 pro studies and 1 against, and it's only more then fair to link both sides/proof. But i think this matter is very person specific; and certainly not as black/white as told. Can't find any studies on this that have been done on twins or triplets, for me that would have been more interesting then subjective personal experience(s). Some people perform better under hard deadlines and pressure, others can't cope with pressure at all. I would not be surprised if same applies to people performing with a lack of rest/sleep. Though I never said or meant to give the idea that it doesn't have any effect, nor if it always have the same affect. I merely wanted to point out there are quite a few cases, situations where i think being tired does warrant a badge of honour. And that going that extra mile, even when super tired, where others give up is (very) honourable. And calling it a day, and accepting you can't find a solution that working day, is not very honourable (in my humble opinion). And yes there is more to life then work, but that's not the point i try to make. :)

GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago

I think you're trying to interpret a normative argument as an empirical one.