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What is real food? I disagree strongly. Eating shouldn't make you tired. I could eat 2 1/3 pound greasy cheeseburgers with toppings but if I skip the buns, I

What is real food? I disagree strongly. Eating shouldn't make you tired. I could eat 2 1/3 pound greasy cheeseburgers with toppings but if I skip the buns, I feel like I ate nothing. There is something legitimate to intermittent fasting, ketogenic diets, avoiding refined carbs, avoiding bread etc. I have a serious disease that is thought to prevented by ketogenic diets. And I think there's an equal chance I got the disease from refined carbs as anything else. I also know many so-called experts in this field (MDs) and they know nothing; and worse they do not want to know anything. My conclusion is simple: just don't eat bread or drink any sugary drinks.

kdamken 10y ago
If you don't mind me asking, what disease did you get?
- Tenhundfeld 10y ago
  Not the OP but since they said the disease might have been caused by refined carbs, the most likely candidate is diabetes. There is strong evidence that a ketogenic diet helps prevent/diminish seizures in epileptic patients. And there's some initial but promising research it can help reduce symptoms of Alzheimer's disease – and possibly Parkinson's and ALS. There's also some very early research that a ketogenic diet might slow the growth of certain cancerous tumors. But specifically for cancer, there's also evidence that a ketogenic diet has no long-term improvement of survivorship – though might have short-term improvement. My conclusion is that the science is still very much out, and it's way too early, from my layman's reading, to make any claim about those diseases being caused by refined carbs.
- fasteo 10y ago
  Mitochondrial myopathy. Simply put, I do not produce enough energy to keep my body up and running. There are many possible causes; in my case, it is a single large scale deletion in my mitochondrial DNA. Symptoms are varied. In my case: extremely weak eye muscles (I have both ptosis and diplopia), intermittent fatigue, mild aerobic exercise intolerance and hot intolerance. From a scale of 1 to 10, being 10 the worst, I rate myself at 3. So, I am doing fine. Watching what I eat, doing some exercise and controlling stress made a big difference in my quality of life (going from 7 to 3)
  - ValentineC 10y ago
    mild aerobic exercise intolerance What happens when you perform aerobic exercises?
    - fasteo 10y ago
      Difficult to describe. Malaise is the closest word I can find to describe the feeling.
pakled_engineer 10y ago
Fitness trainer here once told me don't eat any white carbs after 2pm so no white potatoes, bread, pasta ect. That pretty much has worked for me combined with daily exersize (cycle, pull up bar, walking a lot) and staying away from sugary drinks and carb snacks like chips completely. I'm not fitness model fit but good enough fit and also have diabetes in the family history which luckily so far have avoided (mid 30s)
fasteo 10y ago
>>> I disagree strongly. Do not see why. In fact, I agree with you 100%. >>> I have a serious disease that is thought to prevented by ketogenic diets Are you epileptic ? Know a couple of kids with secondary epilepsia that are doing great with a keto diet

kdamken 10y ago

If you don't mind me asking, what disease did you get?

Tenhundfeld 10y ago
Not the OP but since they said the disease might have been caused by refined carbs, the most likely candidate is diabetes. There is strong evidence that a ketogenic diet helps prevent/diminish seizures in epileptic patients. And there's some initial but promising research it can help reduce symptoms of Alzheimer's disease – and possibly Parkinson's and ALS. There's also some very early research that a ketogenic diet might slow the growth of certain cancerous tumors. But specifically for cancer, there's also evidence that a ketogenic diet has no long-term improvement of survivorship – though might have short-term improvement. My conclusion is that the science is still very much out, and it's way too early, from my layman's reading, to make any claim about those diseases being caused by refined carbs.
fasteo 10y ago
Mitochondrial myopathy. Simply put, I do not produce enough energy to keep my body up and running. There are many possible causes; in my case, it is a single large scale deletion in my mitochondrial DNA. Symptoms are varied. In my case: extremely weak eye muscles (I have both ptosis and diplopia), intermittent fatigue, mild aerobic exercise intolerance and hot intolerance. From a scale of 1 to 10, being 10 the worst, I rate myself at 3. So, I am doing fine. Watching what I eat, doing some exercise and controlling stress made a big difference in my quality of life (going from 7 to 3)
- ValentineC 10y ago
  mild aerobic exercise intolerance What happens when you perform aerobic exercises?
  - fasteo 10y ago
    Difficult to describe. Malaise is the closest word I can find to describe the feeling.

pakled_engineer 10y ago

Fitness trainer here once told me don't eat any white carbs after 2pm so no white potatoes, bread, pasta ect. That pretty much has worked for me combined with daily exersize (cycle, pull up bar, walking a lot) and staying away from sugary drinks and carb snacks like chips completely. I'm not fitness model fit but good enough fit and also have diabetes in the family history which luckily so far have avoided (mid 30s)

fasteo 10y ago

>>> I disagree strongly. Do not see why. In fact, I agree with you 100%. >>> I have a serious disease that is thought to prevented by ketogenic diets Are you epileptic ? Know a couple of kids with secondary epilepsia that are doing great with a keto diet