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It is sad to see how we are going from fat phobia to carb phobia, repeating the same mistakes 50 years later. I have genetic metabolic disease and I have thoug

by fasteo 11y ago

It is sad to see how we are going from fat phobia to carb phobia, repeating the same mistakes 50 years later. I have genetic metabolic disease and I have thought about this many times. My conclusion is simple enough: Eat real food, ignore the macros, listen to your body and adapt your food intake accordingly. Paul Jaminet's diet [1] is the closest I have found to fit this idea. [1] http://perfecthealthdiet.com/ http://perfecthealthdiet.com/

MicroBerto 11y ago
Macro tracking is the best way to fine tune your body composition and measure what actually works for you. Collecting data is never a bad thing and is always worth doing.
- fasteo 11y ago
  I did macro tracking a couple of years. At the end, "listening to your body" is just a unconscious way to track macros.
notthegov 11y ago
What is real food? I disagree strongly. Eating shouldn't make you tired. I could eat 2 1/3 pound greasy cheeseburgers with toppings but if I skip the buns, I feel like I ate nothing. There is something legitimate to intermittent fasting, ketogenic diets, avoiding refined carbs, avoiding bread etc. I have a serious disease that is thought to prevented by ketogenic diets. And I think there's an equal chance I got the disease from refined carbs as anything else. I also know many so-called experts in this field (MDs) and they know nothing; and worse they do not want to know anything. My conclusion is simple: just don't eat bread or drink any sugary drinks.
- kdamken 11y ago
  If you don't mind me asking, what disease did you get?
  - Tenhundfeld 11y ago
    Not the OP but since they said the disease might have been caused by refined carbs, the most likely candidate is diabetes. There is strong evidence that a ketogenic diet helps prevent/diminish seizures in epileptic patients. And there's some initial but promising research it can help reduce symptoms of Alzheimer's disease – and possibly Parkinson's and ALS. There's also some very early research that a ketogenic diet might slow the growth of certain cancerous tumors. But specifically for cancer, there's also evidence that a ketogenic diet has no long-term improvement of survivorship – though might have short-term improvement. My conclusion is that the science is still very much out, and it's way too early, from my layman's reading, to make any claim about those diseases being caused by refined carbs.
  - fasteo 11y ago
    Mitochondrial myopathy. Simply put, I do not produce enough energy to keep my body up and running. There are many possible causes; in my case, it is a single large scale deletion in my mitochondrial DNA. Symptoms are varied. In my case: extremely weak eye muscles (I have both ptosis and diplopia), intermittent fatigue, mild aerobic exercise intolerance and hot intolerance. From a scale of 1 to 10, being 10 the worst, I rate myself at 3. So, I am doing fine. Watching what I eat, doing some exercise and controlling stress made a big difference in my quality of life (going from 7 to 3)
    - ValentineC 11y ago
      mild aerobic exercise intolerance What happens when you perform aerobic exercises?
      - fasteo 11y ago
        Difficult to describe. Malaise is the closest word I can find to describe the feeling.
- pakled_engineer 11y ago
  Fitness trainer here once told me don't eat any white carbs after 2pm so no white potatoes, bread, pasta ect. That pretty much has worked for me combined with daily exersize (cycle, pull up bar, walking a lot) and staying away from sugary drinks and carb snacks like chips completely. I'm not fitness model fit but good enough fit and also have diabetes in the family history which luckily so far have avoided (mid 30s)
- fasteo 11y ago
  >>> I disagree strongly. Do not see why. In fact, I agree with you 100%. >>> I have a serious disease that is thought to prevented by ketogenic diets Are you epileptic ? Know a couple of kids with secondary epilepsia that are doing great with a keto diet
wutbrodo 11y ago
> Eat real food, ignore the macros, listen to your body and adapt your food intake accordingly The middle two pieces of advice seem somewhat contradictory. I usually get a pretty strong sense for which macro I'm primarily hungry for. "listening to my body" is intimately tied to picking the macros that make up my meal[1]. Or did you mean something more like "avoid planning macros contrary to your appetite signals"? [1] obviously I don't have meals that consist entirely of protein powder or fruit juice, but it just gives me a sense of what type of food to emphasize in meal to avoid the irritating " full but still hungry" feeling.
- fasteo 11y ago
  >>> avoid planning macros contrary to your appetite signals This. Same for planning ahead gym workouts.
specialist 11y ago
Sound cautionary advice. I also have to work/plan around some weird diseases. The audience for "pop nutritionists" is the normal, healthy human. Whatever that is. I'd LOVE for their to be a model, baseline, reference healthy human. To study and emulate. Then I could compare and contrast myself to that model, adjust accordingly. On the flip side, note that some of the nutrition plans are meant for certain conditions. Like the Univ of Wash doctor who "cured" his diabetes patients with all meat diets.
leshow 11y ago
this is terrible advice. 'real food' is a term that means nothing. you're simplifying to the point where you aren't any help at all.
- fasteo 11y ago
  >>> 'real food' is a term that means nothing. Please see my post above. >>> you're simplifying to the point where you aren't any help at all. Completely possible. It has helped me tremendously though.
fasteo 11y ago
OP here. I have read all the replies and the "What the hell is real food ?" appears several times. In this context, "real food" means anything that you would find in nature in the same form - excluding changes due to cooking - as you would eat it. Some examples: - Potato, orange, nuts, milk, eggs, meat: Real food - Bread, Pasta, Chocolate (no cocoa): Nope I know that this leaves lots of grey zones (butter, coffee, ...), but you get the idea. I cannot help but recognize that my approach is very simple; some would say simplistic, and I would partially agree, but it has been working great for me. Bear in mind that my metabolism is completely broken, so you mileage may vary.

by fasteo 11y ago

MicroBerto 11y ago

Macro tracking is the best way to fine tune your body composition and measure what actually works for you. Collecting data is never a bad thing and is always worth doing.

fasteo 11y ago
I did macro tracking a couple of years. At the end, "listening to your body" is just a unconscious way to track macros.

notthegov 11y ago

What is real food? I disagree strongly. Eating shouldn't make you tired. I could eat 2 1/3 pound greasy cheeseburgers with toppings but if I skip the buns, I feel like I ate nothing. There is something legitimate to intermittent fasting, ketogenic diets, avoiding refined carbs, avoiding bread etc. I have a serious disease that is thought to prevented by ketogenic diets. And I think there's an equal chance I got the disease from refined carbs as anything else. I also know many so-called experts in this field (MDs) and they know nothing; and worse they do not want to know anything. My conclusion is simple: just don't eat bread or drink any sugary drinks.

kdamken 11y ago
If you don't mind me asking, what disease did you get?
- Tenhundfeld 11y ago
  Not the OP but since they said the disease might have been caused by refined carbs, the most likely candidate is diabetes. There is strong evidence that a ketogenic diet helps prevent/diminish seizures in epileptic patients. And there's some initial but promising research it can help reduce symptoms of Alzheimer's disease – and possibly Parkinson's and ALS. There's also some very early research that a ketogenic diet might slow the growth of certain cancerous tumors. But specifically for cancer, there's also evidence that a ketogenic diet has no long-term improvement of survivorship – though might have short-term improvement. My conclusion is that the science is still very much out, and it's way too early, from my layman's reading, to make any claim about those diseases being caused by refined carbs.
- fasteo 11y ago
  Mitochondrial myopathy. Simply put, I do not produce enough energy to keep my body up and running. There are many possible causes; in my case, it is a single large scale deletion in my mitochondrial DNA. Symptoms are varied. In my case: extremely weak eye muscles (I have both ptosis and diplopia), intermittent fatigue, mild aerobic exercise intolerance and hot intolerance. From a scale of 1 to 10, being 10 the worst, I rate myself at 3. So, I am doing fine. Watching what I eat, doing some exercise and controlling stress made a big difference in my quality of life (going from 7 to 3)
  - ValentineC 11y ago
    mild aerobic exercise intolerance What happens when you perform aerobic exercises?
    - fasteo 11y ago
      Difficult to describe. Malaise is the closest word I can find to describe the feeling.
pakled_engineer 11y ago
Fitness trainer here once told me don't eat any white carbs after 2pm so no white potatoes, bread, pasta ect. That pretty much has worked for me combined with daily exersize (cycle, pull up bar, walking a lot) and staying away from sugary drinks and carb snacks like chips completely. I'm not fitness model fit but good enough fit and also have diabetes in the family history which luckily so far have avoided (mid 30s)
fasteo 11y ago
>>> I disagree strongly. Do not see why. In fact, I agree with you 100%. >>> I have a serious disease that is thought to prevented by ketogenic diets Are you epileptic ? Know a couple of kids with secondary epilepsia that are doing great with a keto diet

wutbrodo 11y ago

> Eat real food, ignore the macros, listen to your body and adapt your food intake accordingly The middle two pieces of advice seem somewhat contradictory. I usually get a pretty strong sense for which macro I'm primarily hungry for. "listening to my body" is intimately tied to picking the macros that make up my meal[1]. Or did you mean something more like "avoid planning macros contrary to your appetite signals"? [1] obviously I don't have meals that consist entirely of protein powder or fruit juice, but it just gives me a sense of what type of food to emphasize in meal to avoid the irritating " full but still hungry" feeling.

fasteo 11y ago
>>> avoid planning macros contrary to your appetite signals This. Same for planning ahead gym workouts.

specialist 11y ago

Sound cautionary advice. I also have to work/plan around some weird diseases. The audience for "pop nutritionists" is the normal, healthy human. Whatever that is. I'd LOVE for their to be a model, baseline, reference healthy human. To study and emulate. Then I could compare and contrast myself to that model, adjust accordingly. On the flip side, note that some of the nutrition plans are meant for certain conditions. Like the Univ of Wash doctor who "cured" his diabetes patients with all meat diets.

leshow 11y ago

this is terrible advice. 'real food' is a term that means nothing. you're simplifying to the point where you aren't any help at all.

fasteo 11y ago
>>> 'real food' is a term that means nothing. Please see my post above. >>> you're simplifying to the point where you aren't any help at all. Completely possible. It has helped me tremendously though.

fasteo 11y ago

OP here. I have read all the replies and the "What the hell is real food ?" appears several times. In this context, "real food" means anything that you would find in nature in the same form - excluding changes due to cooking - as you would eat it. Some examples: - Potato, orange, nuts, milk, eggs, meat: Real food - Bread, Pasta, Chocolate (no cocoa): Nope I know that this leaves lots of grey zones (butter, coffee, ...), but you get the idea. I cannot help but recognize that my approach is very simple; some would say simplistic, and I would partially agree, but it has been working great for me. Bear in mind that my metabolism is completely broken, so you mileage may vary.