6 ms·

One of these days, I'm going to sit down and try out this, emacs-evil, and neovim. Side-by-side. Need to figure out which one I like most.

ExceptionRaised 11y ago
I feel you. I want to like neovim, I really do. Same thing with this. I even want to just use emacs+evil. But since I've picked up spacemacs (~3 months ago) I can't really use anything else. I'm already pretty hooked on orgmode, and the consistent keybindings that spacemacs provides are wonderful.
kromem 11y ago
I just switched from vim to neovim to evil. I can't see myself ever going back. (Neovim was basically just vim with async support, and terminals, but as a tmux user, that didn't really grab my attention). There's a lot more polish in the integrations for emacs than vim, likely as a result of literally everything in the editor being a function call that can be hooked into. The only thing I miss is solid tab functionality (there's a short of hack I've seen so far, but feels too rough for me). But honestly, with projectile + heap, I barely miss that. Company-mode far outpaces the auto completion options in vim (though to be fair to the plugin authors, apparently they need to resort to major hacks to perform some of the things they do). Just as an example, when you autocomplete a function call, it populates the arguments and let's you tab through completing them. This same functionality sits as open tickets in the major vim autocomplete plugins, with a response of essentially "this is really hard to do in vim, hopefully we can figure something out in neovim". It's worth the 2-3 days to make the switch and set yourself up. Also, a recommendation -- autostart emacs in server mode and use enacsclient to connect to that for all your editing needs.
- irremediable 11y ago
  Damn, thanks for the detailed comment. Pretty inspiring. I'm going to see whether I can switch over this weekend.
- gcr 11y ago
  What's wrong with buffers? (Not attacking, just genuinely curious) Like you, I loved my vim tabs. But "state" is what changed my mind. In a few keystrokes, sure I could switch tabs. Right, right, right, right, there that's the tab I want. But it's coupled to my project state: if I close a tab, there goes the muscle memory for that session. Now it's "right-right" to get to the thing I need instead of "right-right-right". Buffers are invariant to your session state. In a few keystrokes, I could just search for the buffer by the first few letters of its filename. I routinely keep >500 buffers open in emacs. Ten projects, half a year of journal entries, a few dozen mail messages. Having all those things available in the same number of keystrokes no matter where I am is immensely helpful. It's like Huffman coding for your workspace.
- pka 11y ago
  I tried out evil some time ago, and while it was very nice, it glitched out regularly - I would (mis)type a key combination and suddenly I'm dropped to Emacs and feel completely lost. Has this happened to you? On a side note, one of those days I'll just have to drop everything for 2 weeks and just learn Emacs.
  - Scarbutt 11y ago
    sounds like PEBCAK to me.
- hvis 11y ago
  > This same functionality sits as open tickets in the major vim autocomplete plugins IIUC it works okay-ish in at least two of them: https://github.com/Rip-Rip/clang_complete https://github.com/Rip-Rip/clang_complete and YCM after https://github.com/Valloric/YouCompleteMe/issues/36 https://github.com/Valloric/YouCompleteMe/issues/36. (Happy Emacs user and contributor here; just want all editors to stand on their merits).

ExceptionRaised 11y ago

I feel you. I want to like neovim, I really do. Same thing with this. I even want to just use emacs+evil. But since I've picked up spacemacs (~3 months ago) I can't really use anything else. I'm already pretty hooked on orgmode, and the consistent keybindings that spacemacs provides are wonderful.

kromem 11y ago

I just switched from vim to neovim to evil. I can't see myself ever going back. (Neovim was basically just vim with async support, and terminals, but as a tmux user, that didn't really grab my attention). There's a lot more polish in the integrations for emacs than vim, likely as a result of literally everything in the editor being a function call that can be hooked into. The only thing I miss is solid tab functionality (there's a short of hack I've seen so far, but feels too rough for me). But honestly, with projectile + heap, I barely miss that. Company-mode far outpaces the auto completion options in vim (though to be fair to the plugin authors, apparently they need to resort to major hacks to perform some of the things they do). Just as an example, when you autocomplete a function call, it populates the arguments and let's you tab through completing them. This same functionality sits as open tickets in the major vim autocomplete plugins, with a response of essentially "this is really hard to do in vim, hopefully we can figure something out in neovim". It's worth the 2-3 days to make the switch and set yourself up. Also, a recommendation -- autostart emacs in server mode and use enacsclient to connect to that for all your editing needs.

irremediable 11y ago
Damn, thanks for the detailed comment. Pretty inspiring. I'm going to see whether I can switch over this weekend.
gcr 11y ago
What's wrong with buffers? (Not attacking, just genuinely curious) Like you, I loved my vim tabs. But "state" is what changed my mind. In a few keystrokes, sure I could switch tabs. Right, right, right, right, there that's the tab I want. But it's coupled to my project state: if I close a tab, there goes the muscle memory for that session. Now it's "right-right" to get to the thing I need instead of "right-right-right". Buffers are invariant to your session state. In a few keystrokes, I could just search for the buffer by the first few letters of its filename. I routinely keep >500 buffers open in emacs. Ten projects, half a year of journal entries, a few dozen mail messages. Having all those things available in the same number of keystrokes no matter where I am is immensely helpful. It's like Huffman coding for your workspace.
pka 11y ago
I tried out evil some time ago, and while it was very nice, it glitched out regularly - I would (mis)type a key combination and suddenly I'm dropped to Emacs and feel completely lost. Has this happened to you? On a side note, one of those days I'll just have to drop everything for 2 weeks and just learn Emacs.
- Scarbutt 11y ago
  sounds like PEBCAK to me.
hvis 11y ago
> This same functionality sits as open tickets in the major vim autocomplete plugins IIUC it works okay-ish in at least two of them: https://github.com/Rip-Rip/clang_complete https://github.com/Rip-Rip/clang_complete and YCM after https://github.com/Valloric/YouCompleteMe/issues/36 https://github.com/Valloric/YouCompleteMe/issues/36. (Happy Emacs user and contributor here; just want all editors to stand on their merits).