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Sorry, developer bootcamps: I was wrong

7 points by guifortaine 11y ago

mlaythe 11y ago
I'm heading off to Codesmith (in LA) next month, and I can't tell you how motivating and reassuring it was to read your post!
smt88 11y ago
Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11418949 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11418949
- guifortaine 11y ago
  Hello, Thank you for your comment. First of all, I've made my usual search on Google to skip cross posting and I confirm that the previous discussion didn't appear in the results : https://goo.gl/ybeiG8 https://goo.gl/ybeiG8 By the way, as you earlier mentioned, the author seems to have little legitimacy on the topic : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11419443 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11419443 However, his post is really insightful. On my side, I attended in one. Especially, I consider having tasted a coding bootcamp to be the most insightful and transformational experience in my entire life. Or simply said : a life-changing opportunity. But this one mostly teached Ruby. And I needed more, I wanted more. Mainly, JavaScript is the de facto language for the Web. Hence, the Web naturally led me to the best (and moreover Open Source!) bootcamp according to me : Founders & Coders. Clearly, after having quickly benchmarked all the other ones (including Hack Reactor), they have to my knowledge the highest requirements among all : http://www.foundersandcoders.com/academy/#apply http://www.foundersandcoders.com/academy/#apply Even after my first bootcamp, I still needed a few weeks to reach 5 Kyu Codewars : http://www.codewars.com/ http://www.codewars.com/ I have never been so proud of myself and at the same time it was a lesson of life by teaching me humility. Mastery is still a long way off but I think that this quote could be a great resume : http://thefullstack.xyz/excellent-javascript-developer/ http://thefullstack.xyz/excellent-javascript-developer/ “Excellence is never an accident. It is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, and intelligent execution; it represents the wise choice of many alternatives – choice, not chance, determines your destiny.” But, let's give it a try ! :) Très cordialement / Best Regards, Guillaume FORTAINE
takno 11y ago
I always turn to product managers who think growth hacker is a thing when I want to learn more about hiring for technical roles
- doug1001 11y ago
  +1 the OP offers not just their opinion about the quality of developers trained in developer bootcamps (versus all other devs) but also gives reasons why bootcamp-trained devs are better. It's not until the postscript, after the end of the post, that the reader learns that the author isn't a developer "By the way, I’m a product manager and growth hacker based in San Francisco."

7 points by guifortaine 11y ago

I'm heading off to Codesmith (in LA) next month, and I can't tell you how motivating and reassuring it was to read your post!

smt88 11y ago

Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11418949 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11418949

guifortaine 11y ago
Hello, Thank you for your comment. First of all, I've made my usual search on Google to skip cross posting and I confirm that the previous discussion didn't appear in the results : https://goo.gl/ybeiG8 https://goo.gl/ybeiG8 By the way, as you earlier mentioned, the author seems to have little legitimacy on the topic : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11419443 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11419443 However, his post is really insightful. On my side, I attended in one. Especially, I consider having tasted a coding bootcamp to be the most insightful and transformational experience in my entire life. Or simply said : a life-changing opportunity. But this one mostly teached Ruby. And I needed more, I wanted more. Mainly, JavaScript is the de facto language for the Web. Hence, the Web naturally led me to the best (and moreover Open Source!) bootcamp according to me : Founders & Coders. Clearly, after having quickly benchmarked all the other ones (including Hack Reactor), they have to my knowledge the highest requirements among all : http://www.foundersandcoders.com/academy/#apply http://www.foundersandcoders.com/academy/#apply Even after my first bootcamp, I still needed a few weeks to reach 5 Kyu Codewars : http://www.codewars.com/ http://www.codewars.com/ I have never been so proud of myself and at the same time it was a lesson of life by teaching me humility. Mastery is still a long way off but I think that this quote could be a great resume : http://thefullstack.xyz/excellent-javascript-developer/ http://thefullstack.xyz/excellent-javascript-developer/ “Excellence is never an accident. It is always the result of high intention, sincere effort, and intelligent execution; it represents the wise choice of many alternatives – choice, not chance, determines your destiny.” But, let's give it a try ! :) Très cordialement / Best Regards, Guillaume FORTAINE

takno 11y ago

I always turn to product managers who think growth hacker is a thing when I want to learn more about hiring for technical roles

doug1001 11y ago
+1 the OP offers not just their opinion about the quality of developers trained in developer bootcamps (versus all other devs) but also gives reasons why bootcamp-trained devs are better. It's not until the postscript, after the end of the post, that the reader learns that the author isn't a developer "By the way, I’m a product manager and growth hacker based in San Francisco."