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Yea Plus Loans are the worst at 8% interest a year. Do I invest in index funds that average 7-8% or pay down student loans that guarantee you're relieving 8% in

Yea Plus Loans are the worst at 8% interest a year. Do I invest in index funds that average 7-8% or pay down student loans that guarantee you're relieving 8% interest a year. It's very disheartening to see one losing $1k/mo purely to interest. But also a big motivation to just make more money yearly.

Overtonwindow 11y ago
Woah what loan are you speaking of??? My federal loan was about 3% in 2005.
- srj 11y ago
  Federal loan rate history: http://www.finaid.org/loans/historicalrates.phtml http://www.finaid.org/loans/historicalrates.phtml I consolidated but I know that some of mine were at 6.8% fixed thanks to this lovely change: 2006-07: Replacement of separate variable in-school/grace and repayment rates on the Stafford Loan with a single fixed rate of 6.8%. Replacement of variable interest rates on the PLUS Loan with a fixed rate of 8.5% (FFELP) and 7.9% (DL).
  - jawilson2 11y ago
    I looked up my rate from 2000-2001...FFFFFUUUUUUUU
  - iambateman 11y ago
    If you don't mind, was refinancing a good move for you? What rate were you able to get it down to? We're at 6.8% right now.
    - needcaffeine 11y ago
      When I consolidated my loans, they became fixed at 6.8%. Meanwhile my wife was lazy and did nothing and then the great recession happened and her loans have been at 3% for years and years.
    - srj 11y ago
      The consolidation loan rate was the weighted average of the loans consolidated, so it didn't offer any benefit beyond making the rate fixed. I think the rate ended up being ~5.5%. Consolidation loans also offer a longer repayment timeframe I believe. In this way if you make the payment amount small but pay double, the extra will be entirely on the loan principal. Back when I consolidated SoFi (and probably others) didn't exist. It might be worth comparing rates and terms with them as well.
- Spooky23 11y ago
  In the 90s, some unsubsidized loans where north of 9%. I was the oldest of the brood, and my parents didn't have any money, so I chose to go to SUNY whatever for something like $8k/year. Graduated with $1,200 in debt, for my apartment deposit and repairs to my ancient car. MANY of my friends who went to prestigious private schools got bait and switched on aid in their sophomore year and got stuck with loans that they are paying to this day.
  - marincounty 11y ago
    My parents didn't have college money set aside for me either, but even if they did, I don't think I would have taken it. I would take it if I had a rich father, but mine wasen't. He liked to brag he was a well paid union electrician, but we seemed to barely get by. After taxes, and my mom's depression shopping. (She didn't spent much, but she needed to buy something everyday. She was clinically depressed before people knew about depression. Later in life when she got a job, the depression went away completely. She is now literally afraid to retire.) My father always said she was the reason he didn't have any saved money. It wasen't the tiny amount she was spending, it was taxes, bills, life, etc. We did have money for emergencies though. I remember the family dog, a dachshund, slipped a disc. My father walked in, and said no to the operation. We all started to cry, and he asked how much. He gulped, and he finally said yes. She lived another 7-8 years? Oh yea, why wouldn't I take money from him to go to college? I just didn't want any more stress to succeed back then. I was taking hard courses, but my father was working harder at his job. When he died, he told me thanks for not asking for money growing up. Yea, we had our differences, but I never felt indebted to him for any big decisions in my life. It was a liberating feeling at the time. Looking back, I could have used some help, but glad I didn't take it. I did take the student loans though. Plus, going to college was easier in the 90's. The courses weren't easier, but the price was reasonable, or at least I thought. My biggest gripe was the cost of used books, and transportation to school. I still think if I had a reliable vechicle back then, my college life would have been easier. Later in life, I went to automotive school. One of the reasons was I just want to know how to work on vechicles the right way. It was still pretty cheap to go to a community college in the late 90's. I got by cheaply by going to a state school, and working security jobs. Actually, my best college jobs were mini-storage assistant manager jobs. These mini-storages are 99% full. You just basically sit in an office, and walk the grounds every once in a while. I would get all my studying done on the job. Cost of going to school back then was cheaper than today though. I repeated that because I see how you young graduates have been extorted. And it definetly wasn't a party school. I don't remember one party, but then again it was a state school that was out in the boonies, and most of the students just wanted to graduate. I still knew the worst day at school was better than working construction.
- cylinder 11y ago
  My loans average 7%. Federal.
  - marklyon 11y ago
    I had a similar problem - I was around 7.8%. I refinanced (with Earnest, though SoFi and others provide similar service) and got it down to 4.71. Increased my payment a bit, and cut my term down by more than a decade. Now, just 117 more payments to go.
    - Symbiote 11y ago
      These figures shocked me. I'd assumed when Americans said "federal" loans they had a low interest rate. My British student loan, from the government, is currently at 0.9%. It's never been more than 5%. I have cash I could use to pay it off, but it earns more interest in a savings account. (And may be useful if I want an extra £12000 towards a house at some point.) http://www.studentloanrepayment.co.uk/portal/page?_pageid=93,6678642&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL http://www.studentloanrepayment.co.uk/portal/page?_pageid=93...
      - cylinder 11y ago
        6.8% and 8.4% on my grad loans. I believe they eliminated the 8.4% loans after I graduated. There's even a 4.5% "loan origination fee." My loan balance was $96k when I graduated 4 years ago. I have not made any real payments on it and the balance is now $125k from interest capitalization. Note, I went to one of the lowest tuition schools in the nation for my grad program and lived at home with my parents the whole time.
- brobinson 11y ago
  My federal student loan I got in 2003 was at 3.6%. My parents had good credit and co-signed.

Overtonwindow 11y ago

Woah what loan are you speaking of??? My federal loan was about 3% in 2005.

srj 11y ago
Federal loan rate history: http://www.finaid.org/loans/historicalrates.phtml http://www.finaid.org/loans/historicalrates.phtml I consolidated but I know that some of mine were at 6.8% fixed thanks to this lovely change: 2006-07: Replacement of separate variable in-school/grace and repayment rates on the Stafford Loan with a single fixed rate of 6.8%. Replacement of variable interest rates on the PLUS Loan with a fixed rate of 8.5% (FFELP) and 7.9% (DL).
- jawilson2 11y ago
  I looked up my rate from 2000-2001...FFFFFUUUUUUUU
- iambateman 11y ago
  If you don't mind, was refinancing a good move for you? What rate were you able to get it down to? We're at 6.8% right now.
  - needcaffeine 11y ago
    When I consolidated my loans, they became fixed at 6.8%. Meanwhile my wife was lazy and did nothing and then the great recession happened and her loans have been at 3% for years and years.
  - srj 11y ago
    The consolidation loan rate was the weighted average of the loans consolidated, so it didn't offer any benefit beyond making the rate fixed. I think the rate ended up being ~5.5%. Consolidation loans also offer a longer repayment timeframe I believe. In this way if you make the payment amount small but pay double, the extra will be entirely on the loan principal. Back when I consolidated SoFi (and probably others) didn't exist. It might be worth comparing rates and terms with them as well.
Spooky23 11y ago
In the 90s, some unsubsidized loans where north of 9%. I was the oldest of the brood, and my parents didn't have any money, so I chose to go to SUNY whatever for something like $8k/year. Graduated with $1,200 in debt, for my apartment deposit and repairs to my ancient car. MANY of my friends who went to prestigious private schools got bait and switched on aid in their sophomore year and got stuck with loans that they are paying to this day.
- marincounty 11y ago
  My parents didn't have college money set aside for me either, but even if they did, I don't think I would have taken it. I would take it if I had a rich father, but mine wasen't. He liked to brag he was a well paid union electrician, but we seemed to barely get by. After taxes, and my mom's depression shopping. (She didn't spent much, but she needed to buy something everyday. She was clinically depressed before people knew about depression. Later in life when she got a job, the depression went away completely. She is now literally afraid to retire.) My father always said she was the reason he didn't have any saved money. It wasen't the tiny amount she was spending, it was taxes, bills, life, etc. We did have money for emergencies though. I remember the family dog, a dachshund, slipped a disc. My father walked in, and said no to the operation. We all started to cry, and he asked how much. He gulped, and he finally said yes. She lived another 7-8 years? Oh yea, why wouldn't I take money from him to go to college? I just didn't want any more stress to succeed back then. I was taking hard courses, but my father was working harder at his job. When he died, he told me thanks for not asking for money growing up. Yea, we had our differences, but I never felt indebted to him for any big decisions in my life. It was a liberating feeling at the time. Looking back, I could have used some help, but glad I didn't take it. I did take the student loans though. Plus, going to college was easier in the 90's. The courses weren't easier, but the price was reasonable, or at least I thought. My biggest gripe was the cost of used books, and transportation to school. I still think if I had a reliable vechicle back then, my college life would have been easier. Later in life, I went to automotive school. One of the reasons was I just want to know how to work on vechicles the right way. It was still pretty cheap to go to a community college in the late 90's. I got by cheaply by going to a state school, and working security jobs. Actually, my best college jobs were mini-storage assistant manager jobs. These mini-storages are 99% full. You just basically sit in an office, and walk the grounds every once in a while. I would get all my studying done on the job. Cost of going to school back then was cheaper than today though. I repeated that because I see how you young graduates have been extorted. And it definetly wasn't a party school. I don't remember one party, but then again it was a state school that was out in the boonies, and most of the students just wanted to graduate. I still knew the worst day at school was better than working construction.
cylinder 11y ago
My loans average 7%. Federal.
- marklyon 11y ago
  I had a similar problem - I was around 7.8%. I refinanced (with Earnest, though SoFi and others provide similar service) and got it down to 4.71. Increased my payment a bit, and cut my term down by more than a decade. Now, just 117 more payments to go.
  - Symbiote 11y ago
    These figures shocked me. I'd assumed when Americans said "federal" loans they had a low interest rate. My British student loan, from the government, is currently at 0.9%. It's never been more than 5%. I have cash I could use to pay it off, but it earns more interest in a savings account. (And may be useful if I want an extra £12000 towards a house at some point.) http://www.studentloanrepayment.co.uk/portal/page?_pageid=93,6678642&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL http://www.studentloanrepayment.co.uk/portal/page?_pageid=93...
    - cylinder 11y ago
      6.8% and 8.4% on my grad loans. I believe they eliminated the 8.4% loans after I graduated. There's even a 4.5% "loan origination fee." My loan balance was $96k when I graduated 4 years ago. I have not made any real payments on it and the balance is now $125k from interest capitalization. Note, I went to one of the lowest tuition schools in the nation for my grad program and lived at home with my parents the whole time.
brobinson 11y ago
My federal student loan I got in 2003 was at 3.6%. My parents had good credit and co-signed.