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The PRC is a bad example for that; they're also likely to execute you: http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/china-executes-corrupt-official/2007/07/10/118383351797

by emmett 17y ago

The PRC is a bad example for that; they're also likely to execute you: http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/china-executes-corrupt-official/2007/07/10/1183833517978.html http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/china-executes-corrupt-offi... Nigeria or even Russia would probably be a better example; at least they're not famous for killing people for corruption. That said, your main point is completely correct: this is the system working.

hga 17y ago
I don't know that they're likely to, I get the impression that that is more for show when things get too hot, too obvious. In this case it happened in conjunction with events like the FDA advising us to throw out any PRC made toothpaste. And his appeal was denied because "he was a 'great danger' to the country and its reputation" (http://english.sina.com/china/p/2010/0210/303963.html http://english.sina.com/china/p/2010/0210/303963.html). But you're right in part because they feel like they have to keep up appearances and they will upon occasion reach up high, something that hasn't been true in Russia for who knows how long. (Then again, we don't know if Zheng Xiaoyu's real crime was losing a political battle.) In this case I used the PRC as the counterexample because it was what the parent commentator used. Another good one would be the place that inspired 1984, where ever greater violations of civil liberties, due process and the rule of law as well as privacy are taking place without noticeable push back. I don't know what would be happening in the U.K. if some school there tried to pull off this sort of nearly literal "1984" (not quite, since the video monitors in Oceania were explicitly there to spy on you, you just didn't know when someone would be paying attention) ... but I wouldn't be sanguine.
- starkfist 17y ago
  I don't know what would be happening in the U.K. if some school there tried to pull off this sort of nearly literal "1984" With all the video surveillance and things like ASBO laws in the UK, would a story like this even be considered news?
  - hga 17y ago
    One wonders, but I hope it would still be a stretch from Anti-Social Behaviour ("in a manner that caused or was likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress to one or more persons not of the same household as himself" (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/ukpga_19980037_en_2#pt1-ch1-pb1-l1g1 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/ukpga_19980037_en_2#pt1... )) and cameras in public to a state required camera taking pictures of your disrobed daughter in her bedroom.

by emmett 17y ago

hga 17y ago

I don't know that they're likely to, I get the impression that that is more for show when things get too hot, too obvious. In this case it happened in conjunction with events like the FDA advising us to throw out any PRC made toothpaste. And his appeal was denied because "he was a 'great danger' to the country and its reputation" (http://english.sina.com/china/p/2010/0210/303963.html http://english.sina.com/china/p/2010/0210/303963.html). But you're right in part because they feel like they have to keep up appearances and they will upon occasion reach up high, something that hasn't been true in Russia for who knows how long. (Then again, we don't know if Zheng Xiaoyu's real crime was losing a political battle.) In this case I used the PRC as the counterexample because it was what the parent commentator used. Another good one would be the place that inspired 1984, where ever greater violations of civil liberties, due process and the rule of law as well as privacy are taking place without noticeable push back. I don't know what would be happening in the U.K. if some school there tried to pull off this sort of nearly literal "1984" (not quite, since the video monitors in Oceania were explicitly there to spy on you, you just didn't know when someone would be paying attention) ... but I wouldn't be sanguine.

starkfist 17y ago
I don't know what would be happening in the U.K. if some school there tried to pull off this sort of nearly literal "1984" With all the video surveillance and things like ASBO laws in the UK, would a story like this even be considered news?
- hga 17y ago
  One wonders, but I hope it would still be a stretch from Anti-Social Behaviour ("in a manner that caused or was likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress to one or more persons not of the same household as himself" (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/ukpga_19980037_en_2#pt1-ch1-pb1-l1g1 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/ukpga_19980037_en_2#pt1... )) and cameras in public to a state required camera taking pictures of your disrobed daughter in her bedroom.