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I personally find it almost absurd to expect the very agencies that are nominally in control of Federal expenditures to reliably track and then expose their own

by cubano 11y ago

I personally find it almost absurd to expect the very agencies that are nominally in control of Federal expenditures to reliably track and then expose their own waste, folly, and, yes, theft of taxpayer funds. Why do you think their is such huge support behind political establishment outsiders such as Sanders and Trump? Many people are simply exhausted by the lies and deceit that flows from elite Washington circles nowadays, and thinking that self-reported figures are going to placate them is wishful indeed.

mentalpiracy 11y ago
I didn't downvote you, but I think you need to do some self-directed reading. The GAO is widely credited from all sides for its standout analysis and data gathering, independent of partisan affiliation or regulatory capture. Its methods are quite rigorous and indeed, if you read the report that I linked in my previous comment, you would see how some of the GAO's investigatory successes have come from comparing agency self-reports against independent audits. As I said before also, nobody disputes that waste and fraud are bad and should be stopped. But the problem is not nearly as widespread as generally believed - and that is the problem, because it elevates an minor issue to an outsized status at the expense of other, larger issues.
- cubano 11y ago
  > But the problem is not nearly as widespread as generally believed... Yes well we agree to disagree because I firmly believe, and my 35 years of experience following the issue closely prove to me at least, that not only is the problem widespread but is papered-over and much worse then will ever be reported. There is a solid statistic that something like only 10% of crime is reported on and solved. I think this number matches nicely to the real damages, waste, and fraud caused by the issue.
  - hackuser 11y ago
    > the problem ... is papered-over and much worse then will ever be reported If it's not reported, how do you know about it?
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- lutorm 11y ago
  nobody disputes that waste and fraud are bad and should be stopped. But the problem is not nearly as widespread as generally believed - and that is the problem, because it elevates an minor issue to an outsized status at the expense of other, larger issues. Makes me think of voter fraud vs electoral participation...

by cubano 11y ago

mentalpiracy 11y ago

I didn't downvote you, but I think you need to do some self-directed reading. The GAO is widely credited from all sides for its standout analysis and data gathering, independent of partisan affiliation or regulatory capture. Its methods are quite rigorous and indeed, if you read the report that I linked in my previous comment, you would see how some of the GAO's investigatory successes have come from comparing agency self-reports against independent audits. As I said before also, nobody disputes that waste and fraud are bad and should be stopped. But the problem is not nearly as widespread as generally believed - and that is the problem, because it elevates an minor issue to an outsized status at the expense of other, larger issues.

cubano 11y ago
> But the problem is not nearly as widespread as generally believed... Yes well we agree to disagree because I firmly believe, and my 35 years of experience following the issue closely prove to me at least, that not only is the problem widespread but is papered-over and much worse then will ever be reported. There is a solid statistic that something like only 10% of crime is reported on and solved. I think this number matches nicely to the real damages, waste, and fraud caused by the issue.
- hackuser 11y ago
  > the problem ... is papered-over and much worse then will ever be reported If it's not reported, how do you know about it?
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lutorm 11y ago
nobody disputes that waste and fraud are bad and should be stopped. But the problem is not nearly as widespread as generally believed - and that is the problem, because it elevates an minor issue to an outsized status at the expense of other, larger issues. Makes me think of voter fraud vs electoral participation...