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https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#BKMK_MoreUTC https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.... As far as I

by MLR 11y ago

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#BKMK_MoreUTC https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.... As far as I'm aware this is as much as they've publicly released regarding telemetry, as for the "keylogger" thing I thought that was just a conspiracy theory.

acqq 11y ago
From your link: > you must use Windows 10 Enterprise, version 1511 or Windows 10 Education, version 1511 to manage them all. Note that the Enterprise versions seem to be effectively unreachable for most (as far as I understand, you must be a company and license for at least 5 computers for two years in advance). Windows 7 is the last generation where a "normal user" was able to get the so called "ultimate" edition which included the functionality from the "enterprise" version for approximately double the price of the Pro version. What can everybody else do?
- chadzawistowski 11y ago
  I mean, you can buy an Enterprise license.
sp332 11y ago
The Customer Experience Improvement program in MS Office (that you have to opt-in to) really does send keystrokes back to Microsoft. I'm not clear on how the Customer Experience Improvement code was modified for Win10 where it's on by default, but it wouldn't surprise me if they sent some amount of keystroke data back. Either as aggregate statistical data or a recording of keystrokes that happened before a crash.
Someone1234 11y ago
The keylogger thing originated from the Public Test Preview of Windows 10. Microsoft told you when you install it that there was extensive telemetry, and they weren't kidding. People continue to claim that it is still part of Windows 10 which has never been proven and most of these complaints aren't based on fact.
- acqq 11y ago
  From the MSFT's link for Enterprise version: "At telemetry levels Enhanced and Full, Microsoft uses Linguistic Data Collection info to improve language model features such as autocomplete, spellcheck, suggestions, input pattern recognition, and dictionary. For more info, see the Get to know me setting in the Speech, inking, & typing section of this article and the Send Microsoft info about how I write to help us improve typing and writing in the future setting in the General section of this article. Note Microsoft doesn't intentionally gather sensitive information, such as credit card numbers, usernames and passwords, email addresses, or other similarly sensitive information for Linguistic Data Collection. We guard against such events by using technologies to identify and remove sensitive information before linguistic data is sent from the user's device" Of course, they can't know if anybody is typing the password in the wrong field or at the time they didn't expect.
  - Karunamon 11y ago
    I'd be more inclined to believe that if it weren't for the fact[1] that it continues talking to Microsoft even when explicitly told not to. I would have sworn there was a Reddit post where someone documented the same behavior on Enterprise SKUs as well, but I'm either mistaken or can't find it. [1]: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-w...

by MLR 11y ago

acqq 11y ago

From your link: > you must use Windows 10 Enterprise, version 1511 or Windows 10 Education, version 1511 to manage them all. Note that the Enterprise versions seem to be effectively unreachable for most (as far as I understand, you must be a company and license for at least 5 computers for two years in advance). Windows 7 is the last generation where a "normal user" was able to get the so called "ultimate" edition which included the functionality from the "enterprise" version for approximately double the price of the Pro version. What can everybody else do?

chadzawistowski 11y ago
I mean, you can buy an Enterprise license.

sp332 11y ago

The Customer Experience Improvement program in MS Office (that you have to opt-in to) really does send keystrokes back to Microsoft. I'm not clear on how the Customer Experience Improvement code was modified for Win10 where it's on by default, but it wouldn't surprise me if they sent some amount of keystroke data back. Either as aggregate statistical data or a recording of keystrokes that happened before a crash.

Someone1234 11y ago

The keylogger thing originated from the Public Test Preview of Windows 10. Microsoft told you when you install it that there was extensive telemetry, and they weren't kidding. People continue to claim that it is still part of Windows 10 which has never been proven and most of these complaints aren't based on fact.

acqq 11y ago
From the MSFT's link for Enterprise version: "At telemetry levels Enhanced and Full, Microsoft uses Linguistic Data Collection info to improve language model features such as autocomplete, spellcheck, suggestions, input pattern recognition, and dictionary. For more info, see the Get to know me setting in the Speech, inking, & typing section of this article and the Send Microsoft info about how I write to help us improve typing and writing in the future setting in the General section of this article. Note Microsoft doesn't intentionally gather sensitive information, such as credit card numbers, usernames and passwords, email addresses, or other similarly sensitive information for Linguistic Data Collection. We guard against such events by using technologies to identify and remove sensitive information before linguistic data is sent from the user's device" Of course, they can't know if anybody is typing the password in the wrong field or at the time they didn't expect.
- Karunamon 11y ago
  I'd be more inclined to believe that if it weren't for the fact[1] that it continues talking to Microsoft even when explicitly told not to. I would have sworn there was a Reddit post where someone documented the same behavior on Enterprise SKUs as well, but I'm either mistaken or can't find it. [1]: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-w...