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Remember when Apple said hell had frozen over when they launched iTunes for Windows? This is that moment for Microsoft.

acqq 11y ago
Isn't it "give them bash, take them their privacy away"? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/13/windows-10-sends-identifiable-data-microsoft-despite-privacy-settings https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/13/windows-1... Isn't it still unknown what is sent to Microsoft even if the user says "don't" in the settings? What was with "everything the user types is copied to MSFT" servers?
- m3Lith 11y ago
  Yeah, that's why projects like https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking exist.
  - pdkl95 11y ago
    So you only support privacy for people with enough of a technical background that they know that kind of tool exists and how to install it? When you work around this kind of problem with technical solutions you are telling Microsoft that they can get away with spying on most people.
- destroyer954 11y ago
  If you are an insider then sure, you're sending a lot of data.
  - acqq 11y ago
    Apparently this happens also by "normal users" who specifically turn off whatever can be turned off? http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-w... The most interesting part: "We configured our test virtual machine to use an HTTP and HTTPS proxy (both as a user-level proxy and a system-wide proxy) so that we could more easily monitor its traffic, but Windows 10 seems to make requests to a content delivery network that bypass the proxy."
    - tacos 11y ago
      "seems to"
- MLR 11y ago
  https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#BKMK_MoreUTC https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.... As far as I'm aware this is as much as they've publicly released regarding telemetry, as for the "keylogger" thing I thought that was just a conspiracy theory.
  - acqq 11y ago
    From your link: > you must use Windows 10 Enterprise, version 1511 or Windows 10 Education, version 1511 to manage them all. Note that the Enterprise versions seem to be effectively unreachable for most (as far as I understand, you must be a company and license for at least 5 computers for two years in advance). Windows 7 is the last generation where a "normal user" was able to get the so called "ultimate" edition which included the functionality from the "enterprise" version for approximately double the price of the Pro version. What can everybody else do?
    - chadzawistowski 11y ago
      I mean, you can buy an Enterprise license.
  - sp332 11y ago
    The Customer Experience Improvement program in MS Office (that you have to opt-in to) really does send keystrokes back to Microsoft. I'm not clear on how the Customer Experience Improvement code was modified for Win10 where it's on by default, but it wouldn't surprise me if they sent some amount of keystroke data back. Either as aggregate statistical data or a recording of keystrokes that happened before a crash.
  - Someone1234 11y ago
    The keylogger thing originated from the Public Test Preview of Windows 10. Microsoft told you when you install it that there was extensive telemetry, and they weren't kidding. People continue to claim that it is still part of Windows 10 which has never been proven and most of these complaints aren't based on fact.
Kenji 11y ago
I'm sorry, I don't understand. What exactly is the problem with this release?
- Karunamon 11y ago
  I think he was saying that, had anyone suggested 2-3 years ago that you'd be running a natively supported Linux stack in Windows, you'd have been asked to share whatever you're smoking.

acqq 11y ago

Isn't it "give them bash, take them their privacy away"? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/13/windows-10-sends-identifiable-data-microsoft-despite-privacy-settings https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/13/windows-1... Isn't it still unknown what is sent to Microsoft even if the user says "don't" in the settings? What was with "everything the user types is copied to MSFT" servers?

m3Lith 11y ago
Yeah, that's why projects like https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking exist.
- pdkl95 11y ago
  So you only support privacy for people with enough of a technical background that they know that kind of tool exists and how to install it? When you work around this kind of problem with technical solutions you are telling Microsoft that they can get away with spying on most people.
destroyer954 11y ago
If you are an insider then sure, you're sending a lot of data.
- acqq 11y ago
  Apparently this happens also by "normal users" who specifically turn off whatever can be turned off? http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-w... The most interesting part: "We configured our test virtual machine to use an HTTP and HTTPS proxy (both as a user-level proxy and a system-wide proxy) so that we could more easily monitor its traffic, but Windows 10 seems to make requests to a content delivery network that bypass the proxy."
  - tacos 11y ago
    "seems to"
MLR 11y ago
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#BKMK_MoreUTC https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.... As far as I'm aware this is as much as they've publicly released regarding telemetry, as for the "keylogger" thing I thought that was just a conspiracy theory.
- acqq 11y ago
  From your link: > you must use Windows 10 Enterprise, version 1511 or Windows 10 Education, version 1511 to manage them all. Note that the Enterprise versions seem to be effectively unreachable for most (as far as I understand, you must be a company and license for at least 5 computers for two years in advance). Windows 7 is the last generation where a "normal user" was able to get the so called "ultimate" edition which included the functionality from the "enterprise" version for approximately double the price of the Pro version. What can everybody else do?
  - chadzawistowski 11y ago
    I mean, you can buy an Enterprise license.
- sp332 11y ago
  The Customer Experience Improvement program in MS Office (that you have to opt-in to) really does send keystrokes back to Microsoft. I'm not clear on how the Customer Experience Improvement code was modified for Win10 where it's on by default, but it wouldn't surprise me if they sent some amount of keystroke data back. Either as aggregate statistical data or a recording of keystrokes that happened before a crash.
- Someone1234 11y ago
  The keylogger thing originated from the Public Test Preview of Windows 10. Microsoft told you when you install it that there was extensive telemetry, and they weren't kidding. People continue to claim that it is still part of Windows 10 which has never been proven and most of these complaints aren't based on fact.

Kenji 11y ago

I'm sorry, I don't understand. What exactly is the problem with this release?

Karunamon 11y ago
I think he was saying that, had anyone suggested 2-3 years ago that you'd be running a natively supported Linux stack in Windows, you'd have been asked to share whatever you're smoking.