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I honestly don't see any other "free" countries. Most lack a fundamental freedom of speech or a right to bear arms. Where is this utopia of freedom you think ex

I honestly don't see any other "free" countries. Most lack a fundamental freedom of speech or a right to bear arms. Where is this utopia of freedom you think exists? As someone who's ancestors helped fight for and found this nation, it's hard for me to just give up on it.

tremon 11y ago
So, you'd rather have weapons yourself than an accountable government? That explains a lot, I feel.
- x3n0ph3n3 11y ago
  I'd like both, actually, but I guess your strawman allows you do just dismiss other perspectives. I want a government accountable to the people, and the right to bear arms was meant to ensure that. The removal of arms turns a citizenry into subjects.
  - kazagistar 11y ago
    It doesn't seem to be doing a particularly good job of ensuring it at the moment.
    - krapp 11y ago
      This is because we no longer live in the time of the founding fathers. Most Americans don't see themselves living in a state of tyranny, and reject the thesis of protracted, mass violence being necessary for a modern free state. Whether this is due to the cowardice or sanity of the American people is a matter of debate.
- l3m0ndr0p 11y ago
  tremon - When a government has all of the weapons and the means to use them against the population, you no longer have an accountable government. This is how it is today in America and it appears to be getting worse. I don't condone violence, but the current system encourages it. Our current US government wields powerful weapons called: Justice, Democracy and Law. The government is controlled by a few, who are making decisions behind closed doors that only benefit themselves. They have the mechanisms in place to enforce the will of the state against any human being for any reason. You can be accused of anything by the government. You can be locked up without due process. Just because you don't see it everyday, doesn't mean that it's not happening. It's here in the USA. Remove the weapons from the state. Forbid the use of force and violence against any citizen that resides in the USA. We should be focused on Peace, Truth, and Justice. Do no harm to yourself or to others. Peace can never be delivered at the end of a a weapon or a writ of law. it must come from within. peace
  - tremon 11y ago
    Our current US government wields powerful weapons called: Justice, Democracy and Law Actually, this is part of the point I was trying to make -- democracy and law are weapons of the people, not of the government. The whole "murrica is the only free country because we have guns" mantra is getting more than a bit tiresome. Not just because it's old and untrue, but also because it's a race to the bottom: because of gun laws, your government now uses grenades and body armour to maintain order. That's not peace nor freedom. What I was trying to point out was the innate fear and distrust between American citizens and the state. It's become so ingrained that "I won't move to another country because they won't allow me my guns" is apparently valid reasoning among the thinking 1% of the population. I could have phrased it a lot less bitter than I did though, and your response made me put in the effort. So thank you for that.

tremon 11y ago

So, you'd rather have weapons yourself than an accountable government? That explains a lot, I feel.

x3n0ph3n3 11y ago
I'd like both, actually, but I guess your strawman allows you do just dismiss other perspectives. I want a government accountable to the people, and the right to bear arms was meant to ensure that. The removal of arms turns a citizenry into subjects.
- kazagistar 11y ago
  It doesn't seem to be doing a particularly good job of ensuring it at the moment.
  - krapp 11y ago
    This is because we no longer live in the time of the founding fathers. Most Americans don't see themselves living in a state of tyranny, and reject the thesis of protracted, mass violence being necessary for a modern free state. Whether this is due to the cowardice or sanity of the American people is a matter of debate.
l3m0ndr0p 11y ago
tremon - When a government has all of the weapons and the means to use them against the population, you no longer have an accountable government. This is how it is today in America and it appears to be getting worse. I don't condone violence, but the current system encourages it. Our current US government wields powerful weapons called: Justice, Democracy and Law. The government is controlled by a few, who are making decisions behind closed doors that only benefit themselves. They have the mechanisms in place to enforce the will of the state against any human being for any reason. You can be accused of anything by the government. You can be locked up without due process. Just because you don't see it everyday, doesn't mean that it's not happening. It's here in the USA. Remove the weapons from the state. Forbid the use of force and violence against any citizen that resides in the USA. We should be focused on Peace, Truth, and Justice. Do no harm to yourself or to others. Peace can never be delivered at the end of a a weapon or a writ of law. it must come from within. peace
- tremon 11y ago
  Our current US government wields powerful weapons called: Justice, Democracy and Law Actually, this is part of the point I was trying to make -- democracy and law are weapons of the people, not of the government. The whole "murrica is the only free country because we have guns" mantra is getting more than a bit tiresome. Not just because it's old and untrue, but also because it's a race to the bottom: because of gun laws, your government now uses grenades and body armour to maintain order. That's not peace nor freedom. What I was trying to point out was the innate fear and distrust between American citizens and the state. It's become so ingrained that "I won't move to another country because they won't allow me my guns" is apparently valid reasoning among the thinking 1% of the population. I could have phrased it a lot less bitter than I did though, and your response made me put in the effort. So thank you for that.