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Point is there are exceptions, but they are just that, exceptions. While I'd agree that mental induction into a field does happen, that unlike in many fields, l

by nxzero 11y ago

Point is there are exceptions, but they are just that, exceptions. While I'd agree that mental induction into a field does happen, that unlike in many fields, law enforcement has a very primal nature, and many that take on this domain are predoposed to it; within nature, the domain would be the relationship between predators and their prey.

ska 11y ago
I don't think you are articulating your point very well, and the last bit seems to be veering towards ev-psych nonsense. Can you clarify what you are trying to say?
- nxzero 11y ago
  Happy to do so, please explicitly state a question, refrain from the tone you've taken, and state what if any experience you have on the topic.
  - ska 11y ago
    Honestly didn't mean to have a "tone" - unless you mean my comment about evolutionary psychology, which is just balderdash in general. Anyway, I can't really see the connection you trying to make, are you saying that something innate to (some of) the people who choose policing as a career overrides their training? Or that police training is in some particular way unsuccessful in modifying mental models?
    - nxzero 11y ago
      Yes, your response to evolutionary psychology was not constructive in my opinion; also, just to be clear, I'm very sure I make tone mistakes too. As for evolutionary psychology, I see your point, and happy with leaving it at that; meaning evolutionary psychology, like much of the field is not a science. Any rate, what I am saying is that some types of personalities (that develop prior entering a life of crime or law enforcement) predispose individuals to enter either one, the other, or both. Special forces has a saying, that is, you're either born to be a seal, or you're not; which is to say, training will never make you something that you're not, but it will weed out those that can't be trained; reference the seals, since they're at the extreme of having a very develop mental model prior to training.
      - ska 11y ago
        Ok, I'm not sure I agree with you entirely but now I can make sense of your point. I think there is probably some truth in what you are saying, and some pure selection bias. However, I also believe that there are many modifications to ones mental models that happen through training - that a) are probably very opaque to the recipient and b) do not occur naturally/intuitively almost ever.
apalmer 11y ago
dont really think its that certain types of individuals being drawn to law enforcement, or rather i think that is true but i dont think thats the largest factor. I do not think its so much the type individual as the type of situation. Meaning I think when you put people into primal life or death situations which require split second decision making a lot of instinctual processes take over.

by nxzero 11y ago

ska 11y ago

I don't think you are articulating your point very well, and the last bit seems to be veering towards ev-psych nonsense. Can you clarify what you are trying to say?

nxzero 11y ago
Happy to do so, please explicitly state a question, refrain from the tone you've taken, and state what if any experience you have on the topic.
- ska 11y ago
  Honestly didn't mean to have a "tone" - unless you mean my comment about evolutionary psychology, which is just balderdash in general. Anyway, I can't really see the connection you trying to make, are you saying that something innate to (some of) the people who choose policing as a career overrides their training? Or that police training is in some particular way unsuccessful in modifying mental models?
  - nxzero 11y ago
    Yes, your response to evolutionary psychology was not constructive in my opinion; also, just to be clear, I'm very sure I make tone mistakes too. As for evolutionary psychology, I see your point, and happy with leaving it at that; meaning evolutionary psychology, like much of the field is not a science. Any rate, what I am saying is that some types of personalities (that develop prior entering a life of crime or law enforcement) predispose individuals to enter either one, the other, or both. Special forces has a saying, that is, you're either born to be a seal, or you're not; which is to say, training will never make you something that you're not, but it will weed out those that can't be trained; reference the seals, since they're at the extreme of having a very develop mental model prior to training.
    - ska 11y ago
      Ok, I'm not sure I agree with you entirely but now I can make sense of your point. I think there is probably some truth in what you are saying, and some pure selection bias. However, I also believe that there are many modifications to ones mental models that happen through training - that a) are probably very opaque to the recipient and b) do not occur naturally/intuitively almost ever.

apalmer 11y ago

dont really think its that certain types of individuals being drawn to law enforcement, or rather i think that is true but i dont think thats the largest factor. I do not think its so much the type individual as the type of situation. Meaning I think when you put people into primal life or death situations which require split second decision making a lot of instinctual processes take over.