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I think what you are failing to articulate is the hidden effects of applying this model. Sam Harris kind of makes this point in a clearer way : https://youtu.be

I think what you are failing to articulate is the hidden effects of applying this model. Sam Harris kind of makes this point in a clearer way : https://youtu.be/JnYwgcgBYeo?t=2124 https://youtu.be/JnYwgcgBYeo?t=2124. If black people can be stripped and searched more often, sent to jail for less evidence etc the effect will be that they have no reason to try and be successful and productive members of the society. Even if there is no equality, it is essential that there is at least a perception of equality and a noticeable striving for equality. It gives people hope.

Houshalter 11y ago
I think it's quite a stretch that being slightly more likely to get pulled over would make you an unproductive member of society. I mean hypothetically if they discovered that green cars correlate with drug muling, I don't think this policy would push owners of green cars to crime, regardless of their race.
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- Natanael_L 11y ago
  One factor is easier to change than the other. The car owner can change cars or repaint it. A black man can't trivially change skin color, and they're going to feel that making an effort to be productive is less worth the effort. If a significant number of additional stops which they have no control over would impact their job performance and reputation (frequently being late, etc), risking getting them fired at no fault of their own, what are they going to do?
- pessimizer 11y ago
  > slightly more likely to get pulled over I don't know why you make this assumption. If the percentage of black people were low, and the number of cops high, that ratio could make the odds of being pulled over arbitrarily high - making certain locations "no-go" areas for black people. I assume as the probability approached 100%, they would just install a checkpoint, or start whitelisting the cars of confirmed good blacks with some sort of sticker or radio ID (just to save on resources.)

Houshalter 11y ago

I think it's quite a stretch that being slightly more likely to get pulled over would make you an unproductive member of society. I mean hypothetically if they discovered that green cars correlate with drug muling, I don't think this policy would push owners of green cars to crime, regardless of their race.

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Natanael_L 11y ago
One factor is easier to change than the other. The car owner can change cars or repaint it. A black man can't trivially change skin color, and they're going to feel that making an effort to be productive is less worth the effort. If a significant number of additional stops which they have no control over would impact their job performance and reputation (frequently being late, etc), risking getting them fired at no fault of their own, what are they going to do?
pessimizer 11y ago
> slightly more likely to get pulled over I don't know why you make this assumption. If the percentage of black people were low, and the number of cops high, that ratio could make the odds of being pulled over arbitrarily high - making certain locations "no-go" areas for black people. I assume as the probability approached 100%, they would just install a checkpoint, or start whitelisting the cars of confirmed good blacks with some sort of sticker or radio ID (just to save on resources.)