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Well you also have a significantly higher probability of getting shot when you live in Oakland. So there's always that.

by zzz157 11y ago

vosper 11y ago
It's not like the Mission, Tenderloin or SOMA are especially safe, either. In SF, as in Oakland, there are good spots and bad spots. I haven't felt unsafe in Lake Merritt, and my place is way nicer than what I got for the same price in Cole Valley. And the weather's better (it really is).
nostrademons 11y ago
Depends which part of Oakland. Some parts of Oakland (eg. Rockridge, Temescal) are significantly nicer than SF. They aren't exactly cheap, but your safety : price ratio is significantly better than in say, the Mission.
- mrgordon 11y ago
  They may appear nicer but when I read Yelp reviews in Rockridge and Temescal they occasionally mention the bars on the windows or robberies taking place which I've never seen in San Francisco. Not trying to say the average person will encounter problems but I do think even those areas have more crime than you'd think. As someone who lived in Oakland and now has rent control in the Mission, I would say that my safety : price ratio is significantly higher here in SF after a relatively small period of time.
  - mrgordon 11y ago
    Wow, very surprised to see I got downvoted for sharing a perfectly valid anecdote after living in Oakland and San Francisco. I'm sorry if you feel differently but downvoting comments just because you don't agree with them is rather immature and only serves to limit discourse by discouraging people from sharing their opinions, experiences, and facts. I was polite in my response and even pointed out that the average person is unlikely to encounter problems. Here are some further details for those who care about the facts: 1. This is a representative review for one Thai restaurant that I wanted to go to in Rockridge where I noticed many reviews mentioned them being robbed repeatedly and now the restaurant has to buzz customers through the door because of it (read the first review or search for "robbery"): http://www.yelp.com/biz/saysetha-thai-cuisine-oakland?hrid=uI5-SqeMPAZb1pLojXdaPQ&utm_campaign=www_review_share_popup&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=(direct) http://www.yelp.com/biz/saysetha-thai-cuisine-oakland?hrid=u... 2. Here is a recent article about how middle class residents of many neighborhoods including Rockridge and Temescal have resorted to hiring private security forces due to the rampant crime problems: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/30/oakland-private-securitypatrols.html http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/30/oakland-priv... 3. Here is an article describing why robbers like Rockridge and other "target rich" neighborhoods where it is easy to rob rich people and escape: http://patch.com/california/rockridge/why-robbers-like-rockridge-report-from-the-north-oakland-crime-meeting http://patch.com/california/rockridge/why-robbers-like-rockr...
    - nostrademons 11y ago
      I wasn't the one who downvoted you.
eastbayjake 11y ago
You can keep believing that. It certainly keeps the rent on the Oakland side of the Bay a little cheaper than if everyone found out it's spacious, full of artists and great food, and has better weather.
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mtanski 11y ago
What's the probability of being shot in Oakland in a year as a white male? Esp if you don't have any associations with crime yourself. I lived in both good, bad and transitioning neighborhoods and I feel like people over estimate how much impact this will have on life. Fact is, shit happens everywhere. Happens more often where there is density. You can be mugged in a good part of town (well because that's where people with money are at) and bad part of town. Before I moved back to NYC, my wife would regularly get harassed in SOMA on the street walking to her job.

Well you also have a significantly higher probability of getting shot when you live in Oakland. So there's always that.

by zzz157 11y ago

Well you also have a significantly higher probability of getting shot when you live in Oakland. So there's always that.

It's not like the Mission, Tenderloin or SOMA are especially safe, either. In SF, as in Oakland, there are good spots and bad spots. I haven't felt unsafe in Lake Merritt, and my place is way nicer than what I got for the same price in Cole Valley. And the weather's better (it really is).

nostrademons 11y ago

Depends which part of Oakland. Some parts of Oakland (eg. Rockridge, Temescal) are significantly nicer than SF. They aren't exactly cheap, but your safety : price ratio is significantly better than in say, the Mission.

mrgordon 11y ago
They may appear nicer but when I read Yelp reviews in Rockridge and Temescal they occasionally mention the bars on the windows or robberies taking place which I've never seen in San Francisco. Not trying to say the average person will encounter problems but I do think even those areas have more crime than you'd think. As someone who lived in Oakland and now has rent control in the Mission, I would say that my safety : price ratio is significantly higher here in SF after a relatively small period of time.
- mrgordon 11y ago
  Wow, very surprised to see I got downvoted for sharing a perfectly valid anecdote after living in Oakland and San Francisco. I'm sorry if you feel differently but downvoting comments just because you don't agree with them is rather immature and only serves to limit discourse by discouraging people from sharing their opinions, experiences, and facts. I was polite in my response and even pointed out that the average person is unlikely to encounter problems. Here are some further details for those who care about the facts: 1. This is a representative review for one Thai restaurant that I wanted to go to in Rockridge where I noticed many reviews mentioned them being robbed repeatedly and now the restaurant has to buzz customers through the door because of it (read the first review or search for "robbery"): http://www.yelp.com/biz/saysetha-thai-cuisine-oakland?hrid=uI5-SqeMPAZb1pLojXdaPQ&utm_campaign=www_review_share_popup&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_source=(direct) http://www.yelp.com/biz/saysetha-thai-cuisine-oakland?hrid=u... 2. Here is a recent article about how middle class residents of many neighborhoods including Rockridge and Temescal have resorted to hiring private security forces due to the rampant crime problems: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/30/oakland-private-securitypatrols.html http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/30/oakland-priv... 3. Here is an article describing why robbers like Rockridge and other "target rich" neighborhoods where it is easy to rob rich people and escape: http://patch.com/california/rockridge/why-robbers-like-rockridge-report-from-the-north-oakland-crime-meeting http://patch.com/california/rockridge/why-robbers-like-rockr...
  - nostrademons 11y ago
    I wasn't the one who downvoted you.

eastbayjake 11y ago

You can keep believing that. It certainly keeps the rent on the Oakland side of the Bay a little cheaper than if everyone found out it's spacious, full of artists and great food, and has better weather.

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mtanski 11y ago

What's the probability of being shot in Oakland in a year as a white male? Esp if you don't have any associations with crime yourself. I lived in both good, bad and transitioning neighborhoods and I feel like people over estimate how much impact this will have on life. Fact is, shit happens everywhere. Happens more often where there is density. You can be mugged in a good part of town (well because that's where people with money are at) and bad part of town. Before I moved back to NYC, my wife would regularly get harassed in SOMA on the street walking to her job.