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Guesses as I don't know which specific models you're referring to: The parent's lack of throttle response is most likely due to turbo lag. Modern cars are gett

Guesses as I don't know which specific models you're referring to: The parent's lack of throttle response is most likely due to turbo lag. Modern cars are getting better with variable vein turbos. If your Mom's Mercedes suffers from poor throttle response I'd guess it's because she purchased one with a small engine relative to the size of the vehicle. A C230, for example, isn't the sportiest of cars. A C63, however, does not suffer from poor throttle response.

kbenson 11y ago
No, it's a CLK430 convertible from ~2003. It's got plenty of power, it just feels like it purposefully retards the throttle when starting from stop for a short while to keep it from jerking off the line. In my trying to compensate for that, I give it more throttle, which seems to trigger it to stop the retarding action, and the it accelerates faster than expected. It feels like if I just let it do its thing it would be fine, but it feels slow to me when starting, which causes the whole problem. This isn't a developed problem, it was like this from the beginning, so I assume it's on purpose.
- kerryfalk 11y ago
  The CLK430 has a 275 HP V8 and the car weighs nearly 4,000lbs. That's not a lot of power for a vehicle of that size and non-AMG models aren't geared for acceleration. The surge you experience is probably the transmission down-shifting. On typical city driving the Mercedes transmissions seem to select gears 2 higher than what would be optimal for acceleration. In the AMG models they don't even use 1st gear unless the transmission is in Sport mode. Glib solution: Buy an AMG and smile when you put your right foot down, but cry when you go to the bank...
  - kbenson 11y ago
    > The CLK430 has a 275 HP V8 and the car weighs nearly 4,000lbs. That's not a lot of power for a vehicle of that size and non-AMG models aren't geared for acceleration. I alternate driving a Honda Odyssey and a recent base level Hyundai Elantra as a commuter every day. I'll tell you flat out this is not a problem with too little horsepower or torque. I've also recently driven one of the AMG Mercedes variants for a few days, and seemed to notice the same issue in that vehicle, but much less pronounced. > The surge you experience is probably the transmission down-shifting. What I'm experiencing seems to be slightly different than what the original commentor started out with. I'm referring to starting moving forward from stop, such as a stoplight. > Glib solution: Buy an AMG and smile when you put your right foot down, but cry when you go to the bank... Naw, I still have my 240z sitting out back. It was fairly tricked out prior to it becoming basically useless most the time when I had multiple children. I get most of my jonesing for fast cars satisfied by the fantasy that I'll one day fix it up again. I think it was way more fun to drive than most the modern fast cars, because it's not so much about how fast you go, but how fast if feels like you are going. Driving a small early 70's sports car serves that up pretty well even without actually going all that fast. :)
    - kerryfalk 11y ago
      We're veering off topic a bit but I've come to learn Mercedes pretty well now. I'd put money on your feeling with the Mercedes being two-fold: 1) The gearing: They're long gears and it defaults to selecting a very tall gear. I have 500hp on tap and doing 50mph in 7th gear isn't fun, but that's what it selects as a default in comfort mode. 2) Traction control: It might not be as much of a problem in non-AMGs but the traction control is surprisingly intrusive and very good at hiding that it's engaging because there isn't a mechanical coupling to the drive wheels. It uses the brakes and I assume some throttle limiting. Even in the sport handling modes it's quite intrusive. I never drive with traction control or in comfort mode - not even in winter. It's a completely different car with them off - if you get another chance to drive one I'd suggest turning it all off. Unfortunately the throttle isn't linear but any more than 20% will spin the tires. I also have an S2000. It has half the horsepower and weights 1,000lbs less but it's a blast.
      - kbenson 11y ago
        I'll see if the traction control makes a difference next time I have reason to drive either of the cars. Thanks for the input. > I also have an S2000. It has half the horsepower and weights 1,000lbs less but it's a blast. 50% the horsepower but 74% the weight isn't that bad a trade-off. Less top speed, but likely better cornering, which is probably fun. :)
jd20 11y ago
Or the transmission settings. Most luxury cars default in a "comfort" mode which introduces some lag in the down shift until revs build up more, so that the shift is smoother. A C63 is usually left in the sport transmission setting, of which the whole purpose is to jolt you as hard as possible every time you mash the pedal, to remind you what you're paying for :) Also, 4 or 5 speed cars this lag is much more ponounced than say a 7 or 8 speed, especially the newer ones with double clutch. Turbo lag is a real issue too, although newer cars deal much better with it. Many newer model Audi's for example, it's hard to even identify the lag (not so true 10 or even 5 years ago).
- kerryfalk 11y ago
  C63's default to comfort mode. They don't introduce any lag in comfort modes, they simply select a higher gear than what would be ideal and up-shift at lower RPMs (1,800RPM in a C63). Source: I own a C63 and my startup procedure includes completely turning off traction control and putting the transmission into S+ every time I get in the car.
  - azth 11y ago
    You shouldn't disable traction control for safety purposes. Don't put your life and the lives of others on the road at risk.
    - kerryfalk 11y ago
      No one is at risk. Most people should not disable the nannies. ;)
      - azth 11y ago
        Stability control is there for a reason. People over estimate their driving abilities. No need to put unnecessary risk for everyone.
        kerryfalk 11y ago

kbenson 11y ago

No, it's a CLK430 convertible from ~2003. It's got plenty of power, it just feels like it purposefully retards the throttle when starting from stop for a short while to keep it from jerking off the line. In my trying to compensate for that, I give it more throttle, which seems to trigger it to stop the retarding action, and the it accelerates faster than expected. It feels like if I just let it do its thing it would be fine, but it feels slow to me when starting, which causes the whole problem. This isn't a developed problem, it was like this from the beginning, so I assume it's on purpose.

kerryfalk 11y ago
The CLK430 has a 275 HP V8 and the car weighs nearly 4,000lbs. That's not a lot of power for a vehicle of that size and non-AMG models aren't geared for acceleration. The surge you experience is probably the transmission down-shifting. On typical city driving the Mercedes transmissions seem to select gears 2 higher than what would be optimal for acceleration. In the AMG models they don't even use 1st gear unless the transmission is in Sport mode. Glib solution: Buy an AMG and smile when you put your right foot down, but cry when you go to the bank...
- kbenson 11y ago
  > The CLK430 has a 275 HP V8 and the car weighs nearly 4,000lbs. That's not a lot of power for a vehicle of that size and non-AMG models aren't geared for acceleration. I alternate driving a Honda Odyssey and a recent base level Hyundai Elantra as a commuter every day. I'll tell you flat out this is not a problem with too little horsepower or torque. I've also recently driven one of the AMG Mercedes variants for a few days, and seemed to notice the same issue in that vehicle, but much less pronounced. > The surge you experience is probably the transmission down-shifting. What I'm experiencing seems to be slightly different than what the original commentor started out with. I'm referring to starting moving forward from stop, such as a stoplight. > Glib solution: Buy an AMG and smile when you put your right foot down, but cry when you go to the bank... Naw, I still have my 240z sitting out back. It was fairly tricked out prior to it becoming basically useless most the time when I had multiple children. I get most of my jonesing for fast cars satisfied by the fantasy that I'll one day fix it up again. I think it was way more fun to drive than most the modern fast cars, because it's not so much about how fast you go, but how fast if feels like you are going. Driving a small early 70's sports car serves that up pretty well even without actually going all that fast. :)
  - kerryfalk 11y ago
    We're veering off topic a bit but I've come to learn Mercedes pretty well now. I'd put money on your feeling with the Mercedes being two-fold: 1) The gearing: They're long gears and it defaults to selecting a very tall gear. I have 500hp on tap and doing 50mph in 7th gear isn't fun, but that's what it selects as a default in comfort mode. 2) Traction control: It might not be as much of a problem in non-AMGs but the traction control is surprisingly intrusive and very good at hiding that it's engaging because there isn't a mechanical coupling to the drive wheels. It uses the brakes and I assume some throttle limiting. Even in the sport handling modes it's quite intrusive. I never drive with traction control or in comfort mode - not even in winter. It's a completely different car with them off - if you get another chance to drive one I'd suggest turning it all off. Unfortunately the throttle isn't linear but any more than 20% will spin the tires. I also have an S2000. It has half the horsepower and weights 1,000lbs less but it's a blast.
    - kbenson 11y ago
      I'll see if the traction control makes a difference next time I have reason to drive either of the cars. Thanks for the input. > I also have an S2000. It has half the horsepower and weights 1,000lbs less but it's a blast. 50% the horsepower but 74% the weight isn't that bad a trade-off. Less top speed, but likely better cornering, which is probably fun. :)

jd20 11y ago

Or the transmission settings. Most luxury cars default in a "comfort" mode which introduces some lag in the down shift until revs build up more, so that the shift is smoother. A C63 is usually left in the sport transmission setting, of which the whole purpose is to jolt you as hard as possible every time you mash the pedal, to remind you what you're paying for :) Also, 4 or 5 speed cars this lag is much more ponounced than say a 7 or 8 speed, especially the newer ones with double clutch. Turbo lag is a real issue too, although newer cars deal much better with it. Many newer model Audi's for example, it's hard to even identify the lag (not so true 10 or even 5 years ago).

kerryfalk 11y ago
C63's default to comfort mode. They don't introduce any lag in comfort modes, they simply select a higher gear than what would be ideal and up-shift at lower RPMs (1,800RPM in a C63). Source: I own a C63 and my startup procedure includes completely turning off traction control and putting the transmission into S+ every time I get in the car.
- azth 11y ago
  You shouldn't disable traction control for safety purposes. Don't put your life and the lives of others on the road at risk.
  - kerryfalk 11y ago
    No one is at risk. Most people should not disable the nannies. ;)
    - azth 11y ago
      Stability control is there for a reason. People over estimate their driving abilities. No need to put unnecessary risk for everyone.
      - kerryfalk 11y ago