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So according to your research, which comparable large luxury vehicle sells more than the Model S?

Someone1234 11y ago
> So according to your research, which comparable large luxury vehicle sells more than the Model S? That wasn't a claim I made. I said the table was set up in such a way as to read like Tesla controlled 50% of the large luxury vehicle market. If you include more vehicles, even if they sell worse, then Tesla's proportional market share drops. But since you brought it up, if you wish to tell us which comparable large luxury vehicle outsells the Model S then I invite you to do so?
- sixQuarks 11y ago
  Yes, but what are the other comparable vehicles you found? Are you considering near-luxury vehicles like Cadillac and Lincoln? Because that's not in the same class as a Model S. The closest competitors were all in that list as far as I'm aware.
  - basseq 11y ago
    Just posted above: I think the A6/5-Series/E-Class are closer to the Model S than A8/7-Series/S-Class. (The A7, 6-Series, and CLS are probably the best "direct" comparisons, but are also the "in-between" models in their lineups, where the Model S stands alone.)
  - Someone1234 11y ago
    Well there is the rub. There is no set definition of what should or should not appear in that list. They're including vehicles (e.g. S class) which are $25-30K more than the Model S, so what is stopping us from including vehicles which are $25-30K cheaper than the Model S? What is the standard to appear on this list? Just to give an example, if I search for "Large Luxury Vehicles" and click the first link here is the list of vehicles: - Tesla Model S - Porsche Panamera - Audi A7 - Cadillac CT6 - Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class - Kia K900 - Infiniti Q70 - Cadillac XTS - Hyundai Equus - Acura RLX - Lincoln MKS Now there are two interesting things about this list: We see a lot new vehicles not on Tesla's list, and the price of these vehicles are a lot tighter than Tesla's list. For example no $96K S-Class listed here. It is hard to justify why some of these wouldn't be in Tesla's list, they're in the same ballpark price wise, they claim to offer luxury, and even the fit & finish seems to be as nice. So I'd argue Tesla's list is very arbitrary, there's no rhyme or reason, no set standard. Just a list that makes Tesla look good.
    - jazzyk 11y ago
      The absence of Lexus from the list is deafening. It is the highest quality brand in this group (not an opinion, a fact - please check a couple of rankings, most notably JD Powers Initial Quality survey, etc.)
      - sixQuarks 11y ago
        Yeah, I agree the LS should be on the list
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MagnumOpus 11y ago
BMW 5 series sells more than 40k per year in the US alone (and of course way more in Europe and Asia). Audi A6 sells about the same as the Tesla S in the US (and of course way better in Europe and Asia).

> So according to your research, which comparable large luxury vehicle sells more than the Model S? That wasn't a claim I made. I said the table was set up in such a way as to read like Tesla controlled 50% of the large luxury vehicle market. If you include more vehicles, even if they sell worse, then Tesla's proportional market share drops. But since you brought it up, if you wish to tell us which comparable large luxury vehicle outsells the Model S then I invite you to do so?

sixQuarks 11y ago
Yes, but what are the other comparable vehicles you found? Are you considering near-luxury vehicles like Cadillac and Lincoln? Because that's not in the same class as a Model S. The closest competitors were all in that list as far as I'm aware.
- basseq 11y ago
  Just posted above: I think the A6/5-Series/E-Class are closer to the Model S than A8/7-Series/S-Class. (The A7, 6-Series, and CLS are probably the best "direct" comparisons, but are also the "in-between" models in their lineups, where the Model S stands alone.)
- Someone1234 11y ago
  Well there is the rub. There is no set definition of what should or should not appear in that list. They're including vehicles (e.g. S class) which are $25-30K more than the Model S, so what is stopping us from including vehicles which are $25-30K cheaper than the Model S? What is the standard to appear on this list? Just to give an example, if I search for "Large Luxury Vehicles" and click the first link here is the list of vehicles: - Tesla Model S - Porsche Panamera - Audi A7 - Cadillac CT6 - Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class - Kia K900 - Infiniti Q70 - Cadillac XTS - Hyundai Equus - Acura RLX - Lincoln MKS Now there are two interesting things about this list: We see a lot new vehicles not on Tesla's list, and the price of these vehicles are a lot tighter than Tesla's list. For example no $96K S-Class listed here. It is hard to justify why some of these wouldn't be in Tesla's list, they're in the same ballpark price wise, they claim to offer luxury, and even the fit & finish seems to be as nice. So I'd argue Tesla's list is very arbitrary, there's no rhyme or reason, no set standard. Just a list that makes Tesla look good.
  - jazzyk 11y ago
    The absence of Lexus from the list is deafening. It is the highest quality brand in this group (not an opinion, a fact - please check a couple of rankings, most notably JD Powers Initial Quality survey, etc.)
    - sixQuarks 11y ago
      Yeah, I agree the LS should be on the list
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MagnumOpus 11y ago

BMW 5 series sells more than 40k per year in the US alone (and of course way more in Europe and Asia). Audi A6 sells about the same as the Tesla S in the US (and of course way better in Europe and Asia).