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The consumer reports on my Cadillac weren't indicative either. I'll give Tesla a pass on door handles because I've replaced them on my Cadillac 3 times. Also b

The consumer reports on my Cadillac weren't indicative either. I'll give Tesla a pass on door handles because I've replaced them on my Cadillac 3 times. Also body panels jiggle, buttons stick, fluids leak, electrical problems, should I keep going? Is there any equivalence here? It amazes me that we can put an SUV sized robot on Mars but Cadillac can't make a car the bumper doesn't fall off of.

mikeash 11y ago
To be fair, GM builds very few Mars rovers.
- neonkiwi 11y ago
  They've built some lunar rovers though. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle (Not that it proves anything, ask Harrison Schmitt about the fenders)
silliconeheart 11y ago
get a hyundai?
- shinglesbell 11y ago
  and get poor brakes and mediocre engines?
0xffff2 11y ago
>It amazes me that we can put an SUV sized robot on Mars but Cadillac can't make a car the bumper doesn't fall off of. You realize that your Escalade would cost millions of dollars if it were produced to the same standard as Curiosity, right? It really is amazing that we can put an SUV sized robot on Mars, but aside from approximate volume, Mars rovers really have nothing at all to do with consumer vehicles.
- ryanmarsh 11y ago
  Hook, line and sinker. HN never misses an opportunity over analyze rhetorical device.
  - DarkTree 11y ago
    To be fair, he/she is not really over-analyzing. You just made a pretty blatant logical fallacy to argue your point. Comparing a GM to a rover designed for space is apples to oranges.
    - bloaf 11y ago
      https://pchiusano.github.io/2014-10-11/defensive-writing.html https://pchiusano.github.io/2014-10-11/defensive-writing.htm...
    - ryanmarsh 11y ago
      It was actually a reference to a Chris Rock bit.
treehau5 11y ago
Since we are all sharing our own localized subjective experiences of a single instance of vehicle ownership, I have a 2015 GMC Sierra 1500 and have been nothing but pleased.
- lfowles 11y ago
  Heh, and I own a car from one of the "most unreliable" brands, Fiat. Only issue so far has been that cruise control disabled itself once.
forgetsusername 11y ago
>should I keep going? No, you shouldn't. We get it, your current car is a lemon and you consider the Tesla, a car which you don't even own but drove for one day, to be of superior quality. What exactly are you arguing?
ssmoot 11y ago
That's just not true. The Escalade gets a score 258% lower than the average. That's abysmal. And from your story, it sounds like you could've done a lot worse than to pick up a subscription no? Look, I'm not a CR fanboy. I only signed up to check out ratings on induction cooktops. Turns out, there doesn't appear to be any (they basically just rate the spec-sheet, no actual reviews AFAIK). So this discussion is the first time I've used it it's been good for anything. While they may not be perfect, they buy a vehicle, test it, run surveys. I'm not aware of any recent scandals. You're going to have to try harder to discredit them since you're not actually offering an alternative.

mikeash 11y ago

To be fair, GM builds very few Mars rovers.

neonkiwi 11y ago
They've built some lunar rovers though. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle (Not that it proves anything, ask Harrison Schmitt about the fenders)

silliconeheart 11y ago

get a hyundai?

shinglesbell 11y ago
and get poor brakes and mediocre engines?

0xffff2 11y ago

>It amazes me that we can put an SUV sized robot on Mars but Cadillac can't make a car the bumper doesn't fall off of. You realize that your Escalade would cost millions of dollars if it were produced to the same standard as Curiosity, right? It really is amazing that we can put an SUV sized robot on Mars, but aside from approximate volume, Mars rovers really have nothing at all to do with consumer vehicles.

ryanmarsh 11y ago
Hook, line and sinker. HN never misses an opportunity over analyze rhetorical device.
- DarkTree 11y ago
  To be fair, he/she is not really over-analyzing. You just made a pretty blatant logical fallacy to argue your point. Comparing a GM to a rover designed for space is apples to oranges.
  - bloaf 11y ago
    https://pchiusano.github.io/2014-10-11/defensive-writing.html https://pchiusano.github.io/2014-10-11/defensive-writing.htm...
  - ryanmarsh 11y ago
    It was actually a reference to a Chris Rock bit.

treehau5 11y ago

Since we are all sharing our own localized subjective experiences of a single instance of vehicle ownership, I have a 2015 GMC Sierra 1500 and have been nothing but pleased.

lfowles 11y ago
Heh, and I own a car from one of the "most unreliable" brands, Fiat. Only issue so far has been that cruise control disabled itself once.

forgetsusername 11y ago

>should I keep going? No, you shouldn't. We get it, your current car is a lemon and you consider the Tesla, a car which you don't even own but drove for one day, to be of superior quality. What exactly are you arguing?

ssmoot 11y ago

That's just not true. The Escalade gets a score 258% lower than the average. That's abysmal. And from your story, it sounds like you could've done a lot worse than to pick up a subscription no? Look, I'm not a CR fanboy. I only signed up to check out ratings on induction cooktops. Turns out, there doesn't appear to be any (they basically just rate the spec-sheet, no actual reviews AFAIK). So this discussion is the first time I've used it it's been good for anything. While they may not be perfect, they buy a vehicle, test it, run surveys. I'm not aware of any recent scandals. You're going to have to try harder to discredit them since you're not actually offering an alternative.