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>It's 2016, and people still think that if someone moves into your neighborhood, someone else has to move out. How does this work in your head? When the new h
by blhack 11y ago
>It's 2016, and people still think that if someone moves into your neighborhood, someone else has to move out.
How does this work in your head? When the new homes are being built, where do the people who were living on the land they're being built on go?
- dionidium 11y agoThey go into higher-density buildings, just like everybody else. That, or nothing changes and they get priced out. Those are the options.
- pessimizer 11y agoSo projects, then.
- davidw 11y agoNo. Replace a single story ranch house with, say, a duplex. Or a single story duplex with a quadplex. It can be pretty incremental. http://missingmiddlehousing.com/ http://missingmiddlehousing.com/
- dionidium 11y agoThat's a glib response, but I do want to bring attention to how often this discussion generates such glib responses. If it's not, "so, projects, then" it's "so, you want San Francisco to look like Manhattan, then?" or some equivalent. Notice how these responses do absolutely nothing to address the issue. They exist only to express dissatisfaction with realistic options. Again, you can either build to meet demand or expect higher prices. Those are the options.
- knodi123 11y ago> Again, you can either build to meet demand or expect higher prices. Those are the options. Or enact preferential laws, or use vandalism in order to drive demand down, or make newcomers feel unsafe or unwelcome. Those alternatives are not entirely rational, nor necessarily effective- but they are human nature, and not that rare.
- maxsilver 11y agoExcept higher-density buildings still equally price people out. There's no such thing as new urban apartments/condos that are cheaper than the houses they replaced. A 500k house never gets torn down to become 3 400k condos. It becomes 3 600-800+k condos. We should build more, because we need it. But "build more" can't be the only tool to lower prices, because simple observation shows us that it doesn't work.
- dkopi 11y agoYou can't judge pricing in a market that's very restrictive. Sprinkling a few higher density buildings in area with rapidly growing demand isn't going to be enough to lower prices.
- maxsilver 11y agoWhat about markets with no restrictions. Because this same behavior is seen there too, even in small cities in the south or Midwest. Even in cities that let developers do anything they want, anytime they want to.
- dkopi 11y agoIts very likely that a newer apartment would be priced higher than an older apartment. But that doesn't mean new apartments don't have an aggregate effect on the prices of other apartments. http://cityobservatory.org/in-some-cities-the-housing-construction-boom-is-starting-to-pay-off/ http://cityobservatory.org/in-some-cities-the-housing-constr...
- nostrademons 11y agoThere is if you take a step down on the housing ladder. Replacing a 1BR with a 3BR that you share with 2 roommates will reduce your rent. So will replacing a 2BR duplex with a 2BR apartment, usually. So will replacing a 3BR with a 2BR and having the kids double-up. ...which explains a lot about why residents dislike this
- dionidium 11y ago
- dkopi 11y agoSome algorithms require additional temporary space. Other algorithms can modify a data structure in place. Some data structures are very loosely spaced in memory as it is, and adding existing nodes is just about using up more of the existing memory capacity. Cities have been able to grow for centuries. The only thing stopping them from growing are zoning and restrictions prohibiting additional homes being built.
- mcguire 11y agoThe tech industry in the Bay area has a large chunk of the population and a near infinite amount of money, and therefore near infinite political power. Blaming political systems seems a little...backward.
- mahyarm 11y agoNo it's not. Tech industry workers are minority and some of the NIMBYs are tech workers on top of that.
- Tiktaalik 11y agoExactly. What is always neglected in these conversations is that building housing is a process and it takes a long time. Even if a city government has liberal attitudes toward development, it still takes years to create new supply. In the mean time the process is displacing people.