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Yeah, but I wish they'd give more credit where due. On their markdown page they claim "For GitLab we developed something we call "GitLab Flavored Markdown" (GF

Yeah, but I wish they'd give more credit where due. On their markdown page they claim "For GitLab we developed something we call "GitLab Flavored Markdown" (GFM)." while that is obviously a ripoff of GitHub Flavoured Markdown.

chatmasta 11y ago
GitHub Flavored Markdown is itself a rip of the markdown standard. Is it giving enough credit to markdown for GitHub to include the word "markdown" in the name? If so, then by extension it should be sufficient for GitLab to include "flavored markdown" in the name. ;)
- jeremiep 11y ago
  Thats a good point! I did not see it that way.
- mkobit 11y ago
  The many "standards" of Markdown also now include CommonMark [1]. There is also some interesting history as to why it is not named "Standard Markdown". [1] http://commonmark.org/ http://commonmark.org/ [2] https://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-markdown-is-now-common-markdown/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-markdown-is-now-commo...
  - sneak 11y ago
    Man, as much as I admire and respect his intelligence, sometimes Gruber can be quite unreasonable.
    - hobs 11y ago
      Yeah, after reading that I came away with a really REALLY sour taste in my mouth. What got stuck in his craw and died?
      - 59nadir 11y ago
        It's also especially annoying when you consider that Gruber seems opposed to the idea of anyone else fleshing out Markdown properly, but he's not doing anything himself. At some point what he did with Markdown was basically just squatting on it himself, making any improving of it at the source impossible.
  - tvon 11y ago
    I think phrasing it as "also now include CommonMark" is a little misleading, it has been around for a few years now and the entire goal is to take the quotes off of the "standards" to actually have a Markdown specification. The drivers behind it also include (IIRC) GitHub and StackExchange. That said, I did not notice the "GitLab Flavored Markdown" in the story link but I'll be fairly disappointed if it is actually "yet another Markdown pseudo-standard" and not CommonMark.
sytse 11y ago
I agree we should give attribution here and created https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/merge_requests/3546 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/merge_requests/3546 to do so. Edit: this was merged.
- jeremiep 11y ago
  This is why I like GitLab! Thanks for doing this :) You're not only productive at shipping quality features but also listening to people using your product! This makes me even happier to be using it at work :)
  - sytse 11y ago
    Thank you for your kind words. Two funny things: 1. We're now at Git Merge http://git-merge.com/ http://git-merge.com/ and I'm looking forward to presenting at 4pm Eastern. 2. I said it was merged but Douwe used our Merge when build succeeds. A HN reader commented about a mistake and I was able to fix it in https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/commit/79d6513f360d7d305b4276777973dfd991c347f8 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/commit/79d6513f360d7... Thanks Greg!
- booop 11y ago
  @dang I'm sorry for this. Please understand I was inebriated when I posted this comment, but I will always appreciate your work and if you ban me for the following comment, I understand. ------------------------------------------------- syste - I love you man. You are an amazing CEO. Your company does great work and has a great product. I always become so happy when I see you actively responding to the comments here. You are a role model CEO. Something so many companies overlook is actually listening to their users and taking their feedback seriously. I love you man, if you wrote an autobiography I would buy it. Congratulations to you and your team.
  - sytse 11y ago
    Thanks! Glad to know if I write something about myself it will have a minimum of two buyers (my mom is very supportive too). I like to write about business stuff most. Any merge requests on our handbook https://about.gitlab.com/handbook https://about.gitlab.com/handbook and strategy https://about.gitlab.com/strategy https://about.gitlab.com/strategy are appreciated.
binarycrusader 11y ago
You know what's even better to me than GitHub-Flavoured Markdown? Markdeep: https://casual-effects.com/markdeep/ https://casual-effects.com/markdeep/ Demo: https://casual-effects.com/markdeep/features.md.html https://casual-effects.com/markdeep/features.md.html Yes, I know they likely provided it for compatibility, but markdeep is just too cool to not mention.
hobarrera 11y ago
I do hate the fact that they use yet-another-markdown-flavour. I wish they'd move over to CommonMark, which actually attempts to standardize Markdown once and for all.

chatmasta 11y ago

GitHub Flavored Markdown is itself a rip of the markdown standard. Is it giving enough credit to markdown for GitHub to include the word "markdown" in the name? If so, then by extension it should be sufficient for GitLab to include "flavored markdown" in the name. ;)

jeremiep 11y ago
Thats a good point! I did not see it that way.
mkobit 11y ago
The many "standards" of Markdown also now include CommonMark [1]. There is also some interesting history as to why it is not named "Standard Markdown". [1] http://commonmark.org/ http://commonmark.org/ [2] https://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-markdown-is-now-common-markdown/ https://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-markdown-is-now-commo...
- sneak 11y ago
  Man, as much as I admire and respect his intelligence, sometimes Gruber can be quite unreasonable.
  - hobs 11y ago
    Yeah, after reading that I came away with a really REALLY sour taste in my mouth. What got stuck in his craw and died?
    - 59nadir 11y ago
      It's also especially annoying when you consider that Gruber seems opposed to the idea of anyone else fleshing out Markdown properly, but he's not doing anything himself. At some point what he did with Markdown was basically just squatting on it himself, making any improving of it at the source impossible.
- tvon 11y ago
  I think phrasing it as "also now include CommonMark" is a little misleading, it has been around for a few years now and the entire goal is to take the quotes off of the "standards" to actually have a Markdown specification. The drivers behind it also include (IIRC) GitHub and StackExchange. That said, I did not notice the "GitLab Flavored Markdown" in the story link but I'll be fairly disappointed if it is actually "yet another Markdown pseudo-standard" and not CommonMark.

sytse 11y ago

I agree we should give attribution here and created https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/merge_requests/3546 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/merge_requests/3546 to do so. Edit: this was merged.

jeremiep 11y ago
This is why I like GitLab! Thanks for doing this :) You're not only productive at shipping quality features but also listening to people using your product! This makes me even happier to be using it at work :)
- sytse 11y ago
  Thank you for your kind words. Two funny things: 1. We're now at Git Merge http://git-merge.com/ http://git-merge.com/ and I'm looking forward to presenting at 4pm Eastern. 2. I said it was merged but Douwe used our Merge when build succeeds. A HN reader commented about a mistake and I was able to fix it in https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/commit/79d6513f360d7d305b4276777973dfd991c347f8 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/commit/79d6513f360d7... Thanks Greg!
booop 11y ago
@dang I'm sorry for this. Please understand I was inebriated when I posted this comment, but I will always appreciate your work and if you ban me for the following comment, I understand. ------------------------------------------------- syste - I love you man. You are an amazing CEO. Your company does great work and has a great product. I always become so happy when I see you actively responding to the comments here. You are a role model CEO. Something so many companies overlook is actually listening to their users and taking their feedback seriously. I love you man, if you wrote an autobiography I would buy it. Congratulations to you and your team.
- sytse 11y ago
  Thanks! Glad to know if I write something about myself it will have a minimum of two buyers (my mom is very supportive too). I like to write about business stuff most. Any merge requests on our handbook https://about.gitlab.com/handbook https://about.gitlab.com/handbook and strategy https://about.gitlab.com/strategy https://about.gitlab.com/strategy are appreciated.

binarycrusader 11y ago

You know what's even better to me than GitHub-Flavoured Markdown? Markdeep: https://casual-effects.com/markdeep/ https://casual-effects.com/markdeep/ Demo: https://casual-effects.com/markdeep/features.md.html https://casual-effects.com/markdeep/features.md.html Yes, I know they likely provided it for compatibility, but markdeep is just too cool to not mention.

hobarrera 11y ago

I do hate the fact that they use yet-another-markdown-flavour. I wish they'd move over to CommonMark, which actually attempts to standardize Markdown once and for all.