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And that's what we get when simple possession of an image is a statutory crime with no means rea. I can watch videos of people getting killed on reddit. I can

by kefka 11y ago

And that's what we get when simple possession of an image is a statutory crime with no means rea. I can watch videos of people getting killed on reddit. I can watch rape videos. I can even watch videos of horrific crimes.... But how dare I watch someone under 18 get naked through a computer. Even if that someone is myself. The worst part is that, while in most other crimes, account for intentionality is considered. (Something falling in my cart while I walk out the store isn't shoplifting, yet shoving something in my pocket is.) Instead this "crime" frankly shouldn't be. It is proof a crime took place however. Its too easy to have a potential dangerous image... even from hosting a Tor gateway Edit: at absolute minimum, there should be a mens rea requirement where possession or transmission of child pornography took place.

djsumdog 11y ago
Congratulations, you're now on an FBI watch list. In honestly though, you're not wrong. Richard Stallman has his controversial stance on child porn as well and I tend to agree with him. It is really really bizarre that modern western society doesn't seem to have a problem with video of soldiers shooting up little kids in Baghdad, yet a picture of a teenager showing her breasts to her boyfriend via text is instant grounds for being locked up (in Australia there is a zero tolerance police and teenagers have gone to jail and are on sex offender registries for just that; although their sex offender databases are confidential and not as fucked up as America's). However, sexual assault on children is a heinous crime. It's sad and destroys the lives of kids who parents hope to keep from getting tainted by the world as long as possible. It's not unjustified to hate this crime to the degree which it is, but it's also kinda bizarre we don't treat videos of kids getting shot the same way. People get off on that stuff too; sexually. What's even more interesting about this case is that the police knew CP was downloaded from his IP address. That might because the United States has mandatory ISP reporting, or potentially his IP was found on a raided website: http://chartsbin.com/view/q4y http://chartsbin.com/view/q4y I'm more interested in how that information was obtained, and whether that process involved violating the rights of individuals of people not associated at all with any crimes.
- kefka 11y ago
  > Congratulations, you're now on an FBI watch list. I'm not surprised. Considering I work with Tor extensively, along with cryptocurrencies and other 'interesting stuff', I guess I fit right in with the tech crowd on there. I'm all for just punishment, from which I think pedophilia is most certainly a crime. It gets... fuzzy around a lot of areas though, especially after puberty up to 17. The law, frankly, is just a total mess. Sex- OK, sext- CP, fake license- pedophilia.... on and on.
  - firethief 11y ago
    Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder.
    - kefka 11y ago
      Whatever. If they can't control their urges, and they sexually abuse people whom can't give consent, they need to be put away. Whether that is a mental health asylum, prison, or somewhere/somehow else, so be it. I don't think they should be abused either, as it's a popular trend in the penal system to use rape as an informal deterrent for criminals.
    - tremon 11y ago
      So is homophilia, in many parts of the world or (even recent) history.
      - orbitingpluto 11y ago
        Um, consent? Two 'homophiliacs' can agree to have sex with each other. Not so much with the other one...
        tremon 11y ago
        The *philia range of words do not describe physical acts, much less "having sex". They merely describe the object of one's affection. Or do you believe that e.g. audiophiles hump their speakers, and bibliophiles use the library for public orgies?
tomp 11y ago
What's even more baffling, in many countries even virtual child porn is illegal. Drawings, computer-generated graphics, adult actors pretending to be children, ... everything. Personally, if pedophiles want to jerk off, I'd prefer they used fake child porn instead of actual kids.

by kefka 11y ago

djsumdog 11y ago

Congratulations, you're now on an FBI watch list. In honestly though, you're not wrong. Richard Stallman has his controversial stance on child porn as well and I tend to agree with him. It is really really bizarre that modern western society doesn't seem to have a problem with video of soldiers shooting up little kids in Baghdad, yet a picture of a teenager showing her breasts to her boyfriend via text is instant grounds for being locked up (in Australia there is a zero tolerance police and teenagers have gone to jail and are on sex offender registries for just that; although their sex offender databases are confidential and not as fucked up as America's). However, sexual assault on children is a heinous crime. It's sad and destroys the lives of kids who parents hope to keep from getting tainted by the world as long as possible. It's not unjustified to hate this crime to the degree which it is, but it's also kinda bizarre we don't treat videos of kids getting shot the same way. People get off on that stuff too; sexually. What's even more interesting about this case is that the police knew CP was downloaded from his IP address. That might because the United States has mandatory ISP reporting, or potentially his IP was found on a raided website: http://chartsbin.com/view/q4y http://chartsbin.com/view/q4y I'm more interested in how that information was obtained, and whether that process involved violating the rights of individuals of people not associated at all with any crimes.

kefka 11y ago
> Congratulations, you're now on an FBI watch list. I'm not surprised. Considering I work with Tor extensively, along with cryptocurrencies and other 'interesting stuff', I guess I fit right in with the tech crowd on there. I'm all for just punishment, from which I think pedophilia is most certainly a crime. It gets... fuzzy around a lot of areas though, especially after puberty up to 17. The law, frankly, is just a total mess. Sex- OK, sext- CP, fake license- pedophilia.... on and on.
- firethief 11y ago
  Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder.
  - kefka 11y ago
    Whatever. If they can't control their urges, and they sexually abuse people whom can't give consent, they need to be put away. Whether that is a mental health asylum, prison, or somewhere/somehow else, so be it. I don't think they should be abused either, as it's a popular trend in the penal system to use rape as an informal deterrent for criminals.
  - tremon 11y ago
    So is homophilia, in many parts of the world or (even recent) history.
    - orbitingpluto 11y ago
      Um, consent? Two 'homophiliacs' can agree to have sex with each other. Not so much with the other one...
      - tremon 11y ago
        The *philia range of words do not describe physical acts, much less "having sex". They merely describe the object of one's affection. Or do you believe that e.g. audiophiles hump their speakers, and bibliophiles use the library for public orgies?

tomp 11y ago

What's even more baffling, in many countries even virtual child porn is illegal. Drawings, computer-generated graphics, adult actors pretending to be children, ... everything. Personally, if pedophiles want to jerk off, I'd prefer they used fake child porn instead of actual kids.