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Their new 'social impact team' isn't a fan of white people https://twitter.com/_danilo/status/690601512813367297 https://twitter.com/_danilo/status/69060151281

Their new 'social impact team' isn't a fan of white people https://twitter.com/_danilo/status/690601512813367297 https://twitter.com/_danilo/status/690601512813367297 http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/08/report-anti-white-agenda-revealed-at-githubs-diversity-team/ http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/02/08/report-anti-white-a...

mrks_ 11y ago
Wow, that tweet is blatantly racist. I'm somewhat surprised that this wasn't made into a bigger deal. Or, if it was, that I somehow missed it.
- the_rosentotter 11y ago
  This is the world's smallest violin, playing just for the white people. Save the outrage for people who are actually discriminated against.
  - eugeneionesco 11y ago
    >Save the outrage for people who are actually discriminated against How about white people at Github?
    - ceejayoz 11y ago
      Is there any indication they're suffering actual discrimination? Pay gaps, harassment, disproportionately not-hired or fired?
      - kelukelugames 11y ago
        Yes, my sense of entitlement is being challenged.
      - ArtDev 11y ago
        Like all racism, how much you encounter it really depends on where you live. A white person living in the Big Island of Hawaii.. almost daily.
        ceejayoz 11y ago
        Unless Github's located in Hawaii, I'm not sure how that's relevant. Github is predominantly white and located in SF. Are white employees there suffering significant "actual discrimination" as the post a couple levels up alleges?
        moby 11y ago
        No.
        jessaustin 11y ago
        Is it a problem for you? If so, and you didn't live there as a child, many people would just suggest that you move. Colonialism isn't history in Hawai'i. It never really bothered me when I lived on O'ahu. I know the difference between "damn haoles" and "fuckin' haoles", and I know which one I am.
  - dghughes 11y ago
    Being racist against white people isn't countering racism it's just regular racism. Neither is going so far to the end of the spectrum i.e. "too PC" isn't the opposite of racism either. Hired just because you're not white? Not really a self-esteem boost. Being inclusive is what Github should be doing to counter racism without the racist sexist bigoted attitude.
  - JustSomeNobody 11y ago
    So, whites cannot be discriminated against? Sure, whites have messed up. Still do. But does that mean they can't be discriminated against?
    - ArtDev 11y ago
      Every white person should try living on the Big Island of Hawaii. It is the only place I have lived where, as a white person, you are discriminated against on a daily basis. It really really sucks. It also opens your eyes to what it feels like to be on the receiving end of racism.
    - MichaelGG 11y ago
      Basically that's the new school of thought. Look at the Wikipedia page on Racism, for instance. It's a tactic that's been around for a long time. Redefine words. Then pretend everyone's using your new, made-up definitions, and claim you've won the argument. Maybe I'm just starting to notice it, but the level of doublespeak is really astounding these days.
      - parasubvert 11y ago
        I don't think it's necessarily doublespeak, it's that people actually use the terms differently. Racism for example means BOTH the individual belief in superiority/inferiority of a particular race AND the societal/systematic belief. This is why there are debates about whether Racism still exists in America, or whether discrimination against White people is racist. It depends on the context.
        MichaelGG 11y ago
        I've never seen this. I've only seen people say "Racism is bias PLUS POWER. It's literally impossible to be racist as a Y because Xs have power." I've not seen people say "Yes of course we'd traditionally call Y a racist, but what I mean is that they aren't being institutionally racist." No one's talking past anyone. It's obvious what's going on. They don't want to admit that non-Xs can be terribly racist. So they flip words around so they can, at worst, say "well they may have prejudice". They invent stuff like "reverse racism". And in fact, that's what Github's code of conduct enshrines. It's intellectually dishonest.
booop 11y ago
Holy shit. That's some of the most egregiously racist things I've seen and I'm not white! No business from me, ever! Elaboration : I feel like apologising for the knee jerk reaction. A tweet I would forgive, but that corporate slide in a corporation that aggressively claims to be social, inclusive, community etc. is simply terrible hypocrisy. But anyway I checked with my PM and my team uses self hosted gitlab and the decision was purely technical :)
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mclovinit 11y ago
geez. i hadn't seen that tweet. crazy. i would love to consider gitlab as an alternative. need to plan on migrating my repos and gists over first. i can't support that type of culture. not today. not ever.
- josteink 11y ago
  Gitlab has migration tools for most of your github thingies (wikis, issues, prs, etc). You should be able to migrate quite easily without losing too much history. http://doc.gitlab.com/ee/workflow/importing/import_projects_from_github.html http://doc.gitlab.com/ee/workflow/importing/import_projects_...
rdtsc 11y ago
Well granted, they are making an impact. It might not be the impact they wanted. It reminds me of how ardent fans of <anything> (programing language, framework, brand, etc) are usually its worst enemies. But doing what they are doing, they are working for the opposition in fact.
adambard 11y ago
Ironically, if white people were in charge, history suggests we'dve definitely done a better job of subtly excluding the "wrong" people without being explicit about it.
joshkpeterson 11y ago
Don't ever link to breitbart. FFS.

mrks_ 11y ago

Wow, that tweet is blatantly racist. I'm somewhat surprised that this wasn't made into a bigger deal. Or, if it was, that I somehow missed it.

the_rosentotter 11y ago
This is the world's smallest violin, playing just for the white people. Save the outrage for people who are actually discriminated against.
- eugeneionesco 11y ago
  >Save the outrage for people who are actually discriminated against How about white people at Github?
  - ceejayoz 11y ago
    Is there any indication they're suffering actual discrimination? Pay gaps, harassment, disproportionately not-hired or fired?
    - kelukelugames 11y ago
      Yes, my sense of entitlement is being challenged.
    - ArtDev 11y ago
      Like all racism, how much you encounter it really depends on where you live. A white person living in the Big Island of Hawaii.. almost daily.
      - ceejayoz 11y ago
        Unless Github's located in Hawaii, I'm not sure how that's relevant. Github is predominantly white and located in SF. Are white employees there suffering significant "actual discrimination" as the post a couple levels up alleges?
        moby 11y ago
        No.
      - jessaustin 11y ago
        Is it a problem for you? If so, and you didn't live there as a child, many people would just suggest that you move. Colonialism isn't history in Hawai'i. It never really bothered me when I lived on O'ahu. I know the difference between "damn haoles" and "fuckin' haoles", and I know which one I am.
- dghughes 11y ago
  Being racist against white people isn't countering racism it's just regular racism. Neither is going so far to the end of the spectrum i.e. "too PC" isn't the opposite of racism either. Hired just because you're not white? Not really a self-esteem boost. Being inclusive is what Github should be doing to counter racism without the racist sexist bigoted attitude.
- JustSomeNobody 11y ago
  So, whites cannot be discriminated against? Sure, whites have messed up. Still do. But does that mean they can't be discriminated against?
  - ArtDev 11y ago
    Every white person should try living on the Big Island of Hawaii. It is the only place I have lived where, as a white person, you are discriminated against on a daily basis. It really really sucks. It also opens your eyes to what it feels like to be on the receiving end of racism.
  - MichaelGG 11y ago
    Basically that's the new school of thought. Look at the Wikipedia page on Racism, for instance. It's a tactic that's been around for a long time. Redefine words. Then pretend everyone's using your new, made-up definitions, and claim you've won the argument. Maybe I'm just starting to notice it, but the level of doublespeak is really astounding these days.
    - parasubvert 11y ago
      I don't think it's necessarily doublespeak, it's that people actually use the terms differently. Racism for example means BOTH the individual belief in superiority/inferiority of a particular race AND the societal/systematic belief. This is why there are debates about whether Racism still exists in America, or whether discrimination against White people is racist. It depends on the context.
      - MichaelGG 11y ago
        I've never seen this. I've only seen people say "Racism is bias PLUS POWER. It's literally impossible to be racist as a Y because Xs have power." I've not seen people say "Yes of course we'd traditionally call Y a racist, but what I mean is that they aren't being institutionally racist." No one's talking past anyone. It's obvious what's going on. They don't want to admit that non-Xs can be terribly racist. So they flip words around so they can, at worst, say "well they may have prejudice". They invent stuff like "reverse racism". And in fact, that's what Github's code of conduct enshrines. It's intellectually dishonest.

booop 11y ago

Holy shit. That's some of the most egregiously racist things I've seen and I'm not white! No business from me, ever! Elaboration : I feel like apologising for the knee jerk reaction. A tweet I would forgive, but that corporate slide in a corporation that aggressively claims to be social, inclusive, community etc. is simply terrible hypocrisy. But anyway I checked with my PM and my team uses self hosted gitlab and the decision was purely technical :)

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mclovinit 11y ago

geez. i hadn't seen that tweet. crazy. i would love to consider gitlab as an alternative. need to plan on migrating my repos and gists over first. i can't support that type of culture. not today. not ever.

josteink 11y ago
Gitlab has migration tools for most of your github thingies (wikis, issues, prs, etc). You should be able to migrate quite easily without losing too much history. http://doc.gitlab.com/ee/workflow/importing/import_projects_from_github.html http://doc.gitlab.com/ee/workflow/importing/import_projects_...

rdtsc 11y ago

Well granted, they are making an impact. It might not be the impact they wanted. It reminds me of how ardent fans of <anything> (programing language, framework, brand, etc) are usually its worst enemies. But doing what they are doing, they are working for the opposition in fact.

adambard 11y ago

Ironically, if white people were in charge, history suggests we'dve definitely done a better job of subtly excluding the "wrong" people without being explicit about it.

joshkpeterson 11y ago

Don't ever link to breitbart. FFS.