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That's really interesting. Sounds fairly hostile. Although I guess from the opposing party's perspective, there is no advantage to sharing information, only pot

That's really interesting. Sounds fairly hostile. Although I guess from the opposing party's perspective, there is no advantage to sharing information, only potential disadvantage... and its not something you can undo.

bpchaps 11y ago
Not sharing information gets in the way of progress and established laws. Politics really shouldn't have anything to do with it, honestly. But since it does, collectively as a group, we should be doing more besides just voting and walking on pavement ;) I got involved with this after working with one of the old mayor candidates, Amara Enyia. The plan was to give her the parking ticket data which would be used for her campaign. The day we were supposed to meet, two of the candidates and an ex-senator effectively colluded to get her kicked out of the race by questioning her signatures. The guy who submitted it was related to Dock Walls and friends with Ricky Hendon, iirc. Her campaign manager then went to Bob Fioretti's campaign, where they invited me over, where I gave Fioretti's campaign manager and Amara's campaign manager the full data. Fioretti's manager called it "fucking golden"..... I never heard back. A bit later, he made parking tickets a big part of his campaign. After seeing Dock Walls, Ricky Hendon and Willie Wilson colluding to get Amara out of the race (seriously, they talked about it on facebook, publicly), it seemed a little suspicious that Fioretti's team didn't bother responding, considering how much they liked it. The phone records request was just a probe to see if the collusion ran deeper. Whether it's true or not isn't the point since, 1. I don't care enough about politics. 2. It's the principal of the entire thing. For what it's worth, Fioretti dropped out of the race and gave Rahm his support the weekend before the election. :)
- ChrisDutrow 11y ago
  I agree that not sharing is problem. Sometimes when I describe the opposition's point of view it sounds like I am defending their position. I think in order to fight an opponent, you have to understand their point of view. Your story is concerning, but I'm not surprised. In my opinion, the system itself filters for this sort of behavior - and it gets worse in the upper echelons of the competition because in the upper echelons it becomes less and less feasible to deviate from an "optimum approach". My assumption being that the "optimum" approach includes participation in unfair and antisocial techniques.
  - bpchaps 11y ago
    Sorry - didn't meant to come off as aggressive or combative.. There's just a surprising amount of hostility from those who like Rahm or think Rahm is a built-in in Chicago. "Why don't you just move?" and calling me unpatriotic were pretty interesting to hear. The idealist in me thinks those behaviors can be fixed even though it's "turtles all the way down". Though, if enough people do enough tenaciously peaceful civics work, then hopefully things will get slightly better. By treating everything as a mystery as [0] and [1] talk about, things become manageable. [0] http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/risks-and-riddles-154744750 http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/risks-and-riddle... [1] http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/01/08/open-secrets-3 http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/01/08/open-secrets-3

bpchaps 11y ago

Not sharing information gets in the way of progress and established laws. Politics really shouldn't have anything to do with it, honestly. But since it does, collectively as a group, we should be doing more besides just voting and walking on pavement ;) I got involved with this after working with one of the old mayor candidates, Amara Enyia. The plan was to give her the parking ticket data which would be used for her campaign. The day we were supposed to meet, two of the candidates and an ex-senator effectively colluded to get her kicked out of the race by questioning her signatures. The guy who submitted it was related to Dock Walls and friends with Ricky Hendon, iirc. Her campaign manager then went to Bob Fioretti's campaign, where they invited me over, where I gave Fioretti's campaign manager and Amara's campaign manager the full data. Fioretti's manager called it "fucking golden"..... I never heard back. A bit later, he made parking tickets a big part of his campaign. After seeing Dock Walls, Ricky Hendon and Willie Wilson colluding to get Amara out of the race (seriously, they talked about it on facebook, publicly), it seemed a little suspicious that Fioretti's team didn't bother responding, considering how much they liked it. The phone records request was just a probe to see if the collusion ran deeper. Whether it's true or not isn't the point since, 1. I don't care enough about politics. 2. It's the principal of the entire thing. For what it's worth, Fioretti dropped out of the race and gave Rahm his support the weekend before the election. :)

ChrisDutrow 11y ago
I agree that not sharing is problem. Sometimes when I describe the opposition's point of view it sounds like I am defending their position. I think in order to fight an opponent, you have to understand their point of view. Your story is concerning, but I'm not surprised. In my opinion, the system itself filters for this sort of behavior - and it gets worse in the upper echelons of the competition because in the upper echelons it becomes less and less feasible to deviate from an "optimum approach". My assumption being that the "optimum" approach includes participation in unfair and antisocial techniques.
- bpchaps 11y ago
  Sorry - didn't meant to come off as aggressive or combative.. There's just a surprising amount of hostility from those who like Rahm or think Rahm is a built-in in Chicago. "Why don't you just move?" and calling me unpatriotic were pretty interesting to hear. The idealist in me thinks those behaviors can be fixed even though it's "turtles all the way down". Though, if enough people do enough tenaciously peaceful civics work, then hopefully things will get slightly better. By treating everything as a mystery as [0] and [1] talk about, things become manageable. [0] http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/risks-and-riddles-154744750 http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/risks-and-riddle... [1] http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/01/08/open-secrets-3 http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/01/08/open-secrets-3