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> but don't know what it means to write good software or use imagination. You can't do patches. You can't rebase. You can't rename files. Tell me all about th

> but don't know what it means to write good software or use imagination. You can't do patches. You can't rebase. You can't rename files. Tell me all about this good software and imagination you speak of?

richieadler 11y ago
> You can't do patches. You can create bundles and submit them for approval. Very similar. > You can't rebase. You have alternatives. The work philosophy is different, though. > You can't rename files. False.
- popmystack 11y ago
  >You can create bundles and submit them for approval. Very similar. Bundles do not have anywhere near the same flexibility and nuanced capacity that patches do. >The work philosophy is different, though. That's an apology if I've ever seen one. Again, not the same. >False. Rename a file. Then try to merge. Tell me what happens.
  - penguinonrocket 10y ago
    >Bundles do not have anywhere near the same flexibility and nuanced capacity that patches do. Interesting. That's basically what the people who suggested bundles (a Hg feature) said about patches. I've used both as appropriate. Handy that Fossil has both.
CMay 11y ago
Rename: https://www.fossil-scm.org/xfer/help/rename https://www.fossil-scm.org/xfer/help/rename - Merge only merges content, but the content does get updated between renamed files. Also note that while rename and mv work similarly, only mv can be used with --hard to also rename the actual file on the drive. If you know of an issue with renaming, you should report it on the bug tracker. Patches: You can select any 2 commits and create a patch between them ( http://fossil-scm.org/xfer/vpatch?from=cbda43e71bda52f0&to=ed36875ff761fe9e http://fossil-scm.org/xfer/vpatch?from=cbda43e71bda52f0&to=e... ). If you want to apply the patch, you can just use patch. Whether patch itself should be integrated directly into fossil is I guess something people can argue over. I don't use patches often, but haven't had issues with them. Rebase: This is what Hipp has to say - http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.fossil-scm.user/2695 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.fossil... These things may not be exactly how you prefer them, but you're misinterpreting my point about good software and imagination. Almost no software in existence is perfect for everyone in every scenario, but that doesn't also mean that no software is good.
- popmystack 10y ago
  Fossil leaves me with no reason to use it. What it can do, Git and Mercurial can do better. Saying that no software fits the use case for everyone, everywhere is completely irrelevant. Other software not fitting into every mold completely, while fossil doesn't really bring anything to the table to cover what other solutions don't, doesn't really justify its existence as a solution in any way.
  - CMay 10y ago
    If you need something that works in exactly the way you're used to and that's how you evaluated fossil, then I guess fossil isn't what you need, because fossil is different. I'm not sure why you're being toxic and venting frustration, though. Use whatever you like, these aren't football teams. :P
    - popmystack 10y ago
      >I'm not sure why you're being toxic and venting frustration Please do not devolve the conversation by making outlandish statements that have no bearing on the conversation. >If you need something that works in exactly the way you're used to and that's how you evaluated fossil That's the exact opposite point I made though. Fossil constrains me in how I work and how I accomplish certain tasks -- with no benefit. Neither Git or Mercurial do that. What Fossil can do, both Git and Mercurial can do better. So why would I choose Fossil?
      - CMay 10y ago
        They're not outlandish statements, you are frustrated. If you don't get any benefit out of a tool, then don't use that tool. I get value out of it and am not meaningfully impacted by the issues you have with it in practice. I'm not a salesman and it's free software, so do what makes sense to you.
        popmystack 10y ago
        >They're not outlandish statements, you are frustrated. As an expert on myself, I must disagree. >If you don't get any benefit out of a tool, then don't use that tool. I don't use it. But I think you need to remember what I replied to, as that's an ill-placed sentiment in this thread.

richieadler 11y ago

> You can't do patches. You can create bundles and submit them for approval. Very similar. > You can't rebase. You have alternatives. The work philosophy is different, though. > You can't rename files. False.

popmystack 11y ago
>You can create bundles and submit them for approval. Very similar. Bundles do not have anywhere near the same flexibility and nuanced capacity that patches do. >The work philosophy is different, though. That's an apology if I've ever seen one. Again, not the same. >False. Rename a file. Then try to merge. Tell me what happens.
- penguinonrocket 10y ago
  >Bundles do not have anywhere near the same flexibility and nuanced capacity that patches do. Interesting. That's basically what the people who suggested bundles (a Hg feature) said about patches. I've used both as appropriate. Handy that Fossil has both.

CMay 11y ago

Rename: https://www.fossil-scm.org/xfer/help/rename https://www.fossil-scm.org/xfer/help/rename - Merge only merges content, but the content does get updated between renamed files. Also note that while rename and mv work similarly, only mv can be used with --hard to also rename the actual file on the drive. If you know of an issue with renaming, you should report it on the bug tracker. Patches: You can select any 2 commits and create a patch between them ( http://fossil-scm.org/xfer/vpatch?from=cbda43e71bda52f0&to=ed36875ff761fe9e http://fossil-scm.org/xfer/vpatch?from=cbda43e71bda52f0&to=e... ). If you want to apply the patch, you can just use patch. Whether patch itself should be integrated directly into fossil is I guess something people can argue over. I don't use patches often, but haven't had issues with them. Rebase: This is what Hipp has to say - http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.fossil-scm.user/2695 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.fossil... These things may not be exactly how you prefer them, but you're misinterpreting my point about good software and imagination. Almost no software in existence is perfect for everyone in every scenario, but that doesn't also mean that no software is good.

popmystack 10y ago
Fossil leaves me with no reason to use it. What it can do, Git and Mercurial can do better. Saying that no software fits the use case for everyone, everywhere is completely irrelevant. Other software not fitting into every mold completely, while fossil doesn't really bring anything to the table to cover what other solutions don't, doesn't really justify its existence as a solution in any way.
- CMay 10y ago
  If you need something that works in exactly the way you're used to and that's how you evaluated fossil, then I guess fossil isn't what you need, because fossil is different. I'm not sure why you're being toxic and venting frustration, though. Use whatever you like, these aren't football teams. :P
  - popmystack 10y ago
    >I'm not sure why you're being toxic and venting frustration Please do not devolve the conversation by making outlandish statements that have no bearing on the conversation. >If you need something that works in exactly the way you're used to and that's how you evaluated fossil That's the exact opposite point I made though. Fossil constrains me in how I work and how I accomplish certain tasks -- with no benefit. Neither Git or Mercurial do that. What Fossil can do, both Git and Mercurial can do better. So why would I choose Fossil?
    - CMay 10y ago
      They're not outlandish statements, you are frustrated. If you don't get any benefit out of a tool, then don't use that tool. I get value out of it and am not meaningfully impacted by the issues you have with it in practice. I'm not a salesman and it's free software, so do what makes sense to you.
      - popmystack 10y ago
        >They're not outlandish statements, you are frustrated. As an expert on myself, I must disagree. >If you don't get any benefit out of a tool, then don't use that tool. I don't use it. But I think you need to remember what I replied to, as that's an ill-placed sentiment in this thread.