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Yeah, I dunno, I think you missed the point. The majority of what I read there was pretty basic. This is how masculine (note, I didn't say male) professional

Yeah, I dunno, I think you missed the point. The majority of what I read there was pretty basic. This is how masculine (note, I didn't say male) professionals generally talk to each other. Is it the most optimal way? Probably not, but there is way way way worse. Like, you know, yelling at someone in a meeting, swearing aggressively, etc etc.

1457389 11y ago
I think your reply just confirmed that OP has a point. "Boys will be boys" is no justification for rudeness
ant6n 11y ago
Masculine professions: fireman, wall street stock trader, police officer, navy seal... and software developer? No, this still doesn't make sense. Professionals can and should be courteous to one another. Software developers can, too.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  > wall street stock trader ???
  - tdkl 11y ago
    Guess someone likes to watch Wall Street.
- mathgeek 11y ago
  "Masculine professionals" are people, and should always be prefaced with a qualifier like "some" or "many." The original statement is certainly overly general in saying that all masculine professionals (I read it as all "real men" <ha!>) act the same way when women and children aren't in the room. "Masculine professions" are things that people do, and we can definitely challenge almost all generalizations here. Unfortunately, the person you're replying to never mentioned professions.
  - ant6n 11y ago
    I guess I misread it. Although the long paren and line break don't help.
eastbayjake 11y ago
> This is how masculine (note, I didn't say male) professionals generally talk to each other. ... Like, you know, yelling at someone in a meeting, swearing aggressively, etc etc. This behavior will eventually get you fired. It's unprofessional, demoralizes employees, and opens you up to legal embarrassment if one of the people you berated ever sues your company. I will agree that the people who engage in yelling/swearing at employees are generally male, but it's absolutely not true that this is how masculine professionals "generally"* conduct themselves at most companies. * If you're referring to startups in particular, where a founder cult-of-personality can have a totalizing effect on employees, they are the exception and not the rule.

1457389 11y ago

I think your reply just confirmed that OP has a point. "Boys will be boys" is no justification for rudeness

ant6n 11y ago

Masculine professions: fireman, wall street stock trader, police officer, navy seal... and software developer? No, this still doesn't make sense. Professionals can and should be courteous to one another. Software developers can, too.

jacquesm 11y ago
> wall street stock trader ???
- tdkl 11y ago
  Guess someone likes to watch Wall Street.
mathgeek 11y ago
"Masculine professionals" are people, and should always be prefaced with a qualifier like "some" or "many." The original statement is certainly overly general in saying that all masculine professionals (I read it as all "real men" <ha!>) act the same way when women and children aren't in the room. "Masculine professions" are things that people do, and we can definitely challenge almost all generalizations here. Unfortunately, the person you're replying to never mentioned professions.
- ant6n 11y ago
  I guess I misread it. Although the long paren and line break don't help.

eastbayjake 11y ago

> This is how masculine (note, I didn't say male) professionals generally talk to each other. ... Like, you know, yelling at someone in a meeting, swearing aggressively, etc etc. This behavior will eventually get you fired. It's unprofessional, demoralizes employees, and opens you up to legal embarrassment if one of the people you berated ever sues your company. I will agree that the people who engage in yelling/swearing at employees are generally male, but it's absolutely not true that this is how masculine professionals "generally"* conduct themselves at most companies. * If you're referring to startups in particular, where a founder cult-of-personality can have a totalizing effect on employees, they are the exception and not the rule.