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Saddam was replaced by ISIS after an American inspired civil war that Cheney saw coming in 1994, so from a geopolitical realpolitik perspective, Saddam as lying

by x5n1 11y ago

Saddam was replaced by ISIS after an American inspired civil war that Cheney saw coming in 1994, so from a geopolitical realpolitik perspective, Saddam as lying smugly in his grave with a smirk thinking he did nothing wrong. American rhetoric such as "he's killing his own people" holds little weight, when we have seen America prop up regimes that routinely kill their own people for example in Latin America. In the end I think they got rid of Saddam in 91 because they were actually scared that he could put them in check if he wanted to, and that was enough to warrant containing him. Sure dictators are bad, by imperialists are worse, especially when they don't give two shits about the people and use baseless rhetoric to justify their invasion. What's need in the Middle East is a home grown secular, scientific revolution and rejection of Islam. Without that, nothing is possible there and all revolutions and evolutions will fail. The Imperialists will continue their half ass crusade to civilize the natives... while only causing havoc and destruction.

knughit 11y ago
How is the Western rejection of Christianity coming along?
- x5n1 11y ago
  Very well. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-33256561 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-33256561 http://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/u-s-public-becoming-less-religious/ http://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/u-s-public-becoming-less-... And Christianity does not have the same problems with science, humanism, and atheism that Islam does. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_humanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_humanism
- jacquesm 11y ago
  Quite well except for a certain continent. In NL churches are being sold for peanuts because they're empty on Sundays. As the last generation that went to church regularly dies the church makes one last effort at value extraction: real estate price increases are being liquidated. In the USA and Canada it is still very much a popular thing, no idea how long it will take to get to the point where people realize they're being had. Religion can have positive effects in people's lives, but at the same time organized religion is used for vote marshalling and politics, it's just another power structure and a business to boot. This goes for most religions, not just for Christianity. Personally I'd be fine with an englightened version of Islam, one that formally recognized the rights of women and that did away with the most antiquated and damaging aspects of the religion. Of course a push to effect that would result in even harsher pushback from the fanatics, for fear that such a strategy might succeed.
  - nsxwolf 11y ago
    There is zero incentive for an enlightened version of Islam. They're winning the population game and losers (the rapidly secularizing West) don't get to dictate terms. Catholic Africa is growing and will possibly step in to replace the West after it goes majority Islamic.
  - cholantesh 11y ago
    Speaking as an ardent secularist, I hope at least some of the older churches are being preserved for their historical value. >Religion can have positive effects in people's lives, but at the same time organized religion is used for vote marshalling and politics, it's just another power structure and a business to boot. This goes for most religions, not just for Christianity. The relationship between the House of Saud and the Wahabbist establishment in Saudi Arabia demonstrates this. It's absolutely chilling stuff that is woefully unexamined for its importance to the making of the modern world.
- rawTruthHurts 11y ago
  Compared to Christianity in the XII century or compared to, let's say, Islam?
visarga 11y ago
> What's need in the Middle East is a home grown secular, scientific revolution and rejection of Islam. I see change coming only through the gradual replacement of generations. As old people die, new people get born and they experience the world in a new way so they form new mentalities. I think the internet and mobile phones have a lot to do with it.
- acqq 11y ago
  > the internet and mobile phones have a lot to do with it. Don't think the technology automatically brings the messages you like, ISIS uses the very internet and mobile phones for their purposes. They even established the new "internet centers" in the areas they took over.

by x5n1 11y ago

knughit 11y ago

How is the Western rejection of Christianity coming along?

x5n1 11y ago
Very well. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-33256561 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-33256561 http://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/u-s-public-becoming-less-religious/ http://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/u-s-public-becoming-less-... And Christianity does not have the same problems with science, humanism, and atheism that Islam does. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_humanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_humanism
jacquesm 11y ago
Quite well except for a certain continent. In NL churches are being sold for peanuts because they're empty on Sundays. As the last generation that went to church regularly dies the church makes one last effort at value extraction: real estate price increases are being liquidated. In the USA and Canada it is still very much a popular thing, no idea how long it will take to get to the point where people realize they're being had. Religion can have positive effects in people's lives, but at the same time organized religion is used for vote marshalling and politics, it's just another power structure and a business to boot. This goes for most religions, not just for Christianity. Personally I'd be fine with an englightened version of Islam, one that formally recognized the rights of women and that did away with the most antiquated and damaging aspects of the religion. Of course a push to effect that would result in even harsher pushback from the fanatics, for fear that such a strategy might succeed.
- nsxwolf 11y ago
  There is zero incentive for an enlightened version of Islam. They're winning the population game and losers (the rapidly secularizing West) don't get to dictate terms. Catholic Africa is growing and will possibly step in to replace the West after it goes majority Islamic.
- cholantesh 11y ago
  Speaking as an ardent secularist, I hope at least some of the older churches are being preserved for their historical value. >Religion can have positive effects in people's lives, but at the same time organized religion is used for vote marshalling and politics, it's just another power structure and a business to boot. This goes for most religions, not just for Christianity. The relationship between the House of Saud and the Wahabbist establishment in Saudi Arabia demonstrates this. It's absolutely chilling stuff that is woefully unexamined for its importance to the making of the modern world.
rawTruthHurts 11y ago
Compared to Christianity in the XII century or compared to, let's say, Islam?

visarga 11y ago

> What's need in the Middle East is a home grown secular, scientific revolution and rejection of Islam. I see change coming only through the gradual replacement of generations. As old people die, new people get born and they experience the world in a new way so they form new mentalities. I think the internet and mobile phones have a lot to do with it.

acqq 11y ago
> the internet and mobile phones have a lot to do with it. Don't think the technology automatically brings the messages you like, ISIS uses the very internet and mobile phones for their purposes. They even established the new "internet centers" in the areas they took over.