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"we don't have the time to read your entire blog and all your GitHub commits. We have hundreds of applicants." Applicants are expected to take their time to su

by _vn5r 11y ago

"we don't have the time to read your entire blog and all your GitHub commits. We have hundreds of applicants." Applicants are expected to take their time to submit an application that stands from the rest, and bla bla bla, but employer can't be expected to visit a github profile, nice.

throwaway2016a 11y ago
That's not what I said. Employers can be expected to look at Github and websites and all that, for people who pass reasonable screenings. Not any person who emails us a resume. A well designed code challenge takes less than an hour, which is what most candidates would take just to get to the office (one way!). I haven't looked for a job in a while but last time I did, I spent an average of EIGHT hours per company. I would have loved to have a two hour test I can take and be immediately skip four hours in the office asking me about algorithms. To think otherwise is some self entitled bull shit. Having a job is something YOU work for. The company gives you great benefits, high pay, training, advancement opportunities, and meaningful work. If you can't be bothered to do a 1 or 2 hour tech challenge then you don't deserve a good job. Our side of the equation as employers, is we have the money to pay you, we work hard to build a great place for you to work, and we offer opportunities for great people to thrive. That's our investment. We spent tens of thousands or more on that before you even submitted your resume. I don't want to make assumptions and I could very well be wrong but you sound like someone who has never read resumes. Most candidates can't even be bothered to write a cover letter. They blanket dozens of job listing with their resume. So that person who blanketed dozens of listings with their resume has a right to take up engineering time to review their Github? One of our screening questions is "have you installed our app on your phone?" and over half of people say "no" and another quarter lied. So we're expected to spend hours reviewing your code but you can't even install our app on your phone and research the company you applied to? Guess, what, for those people who didn't even bother to look at our app. Congratulations, you don't have to do the code challenge! You saved yourself two hours... and lost the job... but that's not what's important. You don't have to write code! And you know what... I have fifteen years coding experience, 7 years management with hands on coding, a computer science degree from a great school, a couple high-profile names on my resume, and a screaming newborn baby and I wouldn't hesitate two seconds to spend two hours to do the silly code test for a job I want.

by _vn5r 11y ago

throwaway2016a 11y ago

That's not what I said. Employers can be expected to look at Github and websites and all that, for people who pass reasonable screenings. Not any person who emails us a resume. A well designed code challenge takes less than an hour, which is what most candidates would take just to get to the office (one way!). I haven't looked for a job in a while but last time I did, I spent an average of EIGHT hours per company. I would have loved to have a two hour test I can take and be immediately skip four hours in the office asking me about algorithms. To think otherwise is some self entitled bull shit. Having a job is something YOU work for. The company gives you great benefits, high pay, training, advancement opportunities, and meaningful work. If you can't be bothered to do a 1 or 2 hour tech challenge then you don't deserve a good job. Our side of the equation as employers, is we have the money to pay you, we work hard to build a great place for you to work, and we offer opportunities for great people to thrive. That's our investment. We spent tens of thousands or more on that before you even submitted your resume. I don't want to make assumptions and I could very well be wrong but you sound like someone who has never read resumes. Most candidates can't even be bothered to write a cover letter. They blanket dozens of job listing with their resume. So that person who blanketed dozens of listings with their resume has a right to take up engineering time to review their Github? One of our screening questions is "have you installed our app on your phone?" and over half of people say "no" and another quarter lied. So we're expected to spend hours reviewing your code but you can't even install our app on your phone and research the company you applied to? Guess, what, for those people who didn't even bother to look at our app. Congratulations, you don't have to do the code challenge! You saved yourself two hours... and lost the job... but that's not what's important. You don't have to write code! And you know what... I have fifteen years coding experience, 7 years management with hands on coding, a computer science degree from a great school, a couple high-profile names on my resume, and a screaming newborn baby and I wouldn't hesitate two seconds to spend two hours to do the silly code test for a job I want.