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And then what happened? Has this made a difference in practice?

ocdtrekkie 11y ago
Well, I believe this is the only state where you can even 'rent' the Tesla service manual. Solely because it's legally required in this state.
- smitherfield 11y ago
  Yes, but they charge you like $10,000 [edit: hyperbole, see justinlardinois' comment below for the exact figures] or something. So the initiative ultimately had a bit of a glaring loophole.
  - justinlardinois 11y ago
    Well, not that much, but still very expensive. https://service.teslamotors.com/ https://service.teslamotors.com/ $30/hour, and various other pricings up to $3000/year. The latter is probably feasible for an independent service shop, but none of this would ever work for an individual.
    - smitherfield 11y ago
      Thanks for doing the research! (The $10,000 figure was intentional hyperbole, but I knew it was very high). It's probably infeasible for anyone, even a business. To be able to invest $3,000/year for a Tesla service manual you need to have the know-how to repair Teslas, and to have the know-how you need to have the service manual. Chicken-and-egg problem. So, in practice, a "right to repair" Teslas for individuals or businesses will have to wait for if and when the manual hits torrent sites. Not that I blame them for not wanting amateurs attempting to repair their bleeding-edge high-tech gizmos with explosive batteries.
      - gamache 11y ago
        $3000 is a new set of wrenches. Definitely not nothing, but very much achievable for even a small car shop.
        CapitalistCartr 11y ago
        I use wrenches on every car. To invest in Tesla-specific tools, I have to believe I will have enough Tesla traffic to justify it. Which at present doesn't happen. So an owner wanting to tinker quite simply can't.
        chc 11y ago
        An owner wanting to tinker presumably doesn't care about market demand for their tinkering, so why can't they? It's not like $250/mo is prohibitive to somebody who wants to tinker with their $100,000 luxury car.
        foota 11y ago
        Based on what I think car repair costs, just a couple of Teslas a year seems like it would be enough to justify the expense.
      - chc 11y ago
        I don't see where you believe there is a "checken-and-egg problem." You do not need to know how to repair Teslas in order to invest $3000 a year in a Tesla service manual. All you need is $3000 and the expectation that you'll be able to put the things you learn from the manual into practice.
        smitherfield 11y ago
        Well, you don't know that Teslas are even repairable. Perhaps they only sell/provide certain replacement parts or software keys to Tesla stores.
        justinlardinois 11y ago

Well, I believe this is the only state where you can even 'rent' the Tesla service manual. Solely because it's legally required in this state.

smitherfield 11y ago
Yes, but they charge you like $10,000 [edit: hyperbole, see justinlardinois' comment below for the exact figures] or something. So the initiative ultimately had a bit of a glaring loophole.
- justinlardinois 11y ago
  Well, not that much, but still very expensive. https://service.teslamotors.com/ https://service.teslamotors.com/ $30/hour, and various other pricings up to $3000/year. The latter is probably feasible for an independent service shop, but none of this would ever work for an individual.
  - smitherfield 11y ago
    Thanks for doing the research! (The $10,000 figure was intentional hyperbole, but I knew it was very high). It's probably infeasible for anyone, even a business. To be able to invest $3,000/year for a Tesla service manual you need to have the know-how to repair Teslas, and to have the know-how you need to have the service manual. Chicken-and-egg problem. So, in practice, a "right to repair" Teslas for individuals or businesses will have to wait for if and when the manual hits torrent sites. Not that I blame them for not wanting amateurs attempting to repair their bleeding-edge high-tech gizmos with explosive batteries.
    - gamache 11y ago
      $3000 is a new set of wrenches. Definitely not nothing, but very much achievable for even a small car shop.
      - CapitalistCartr 11y ago
        I use wrenches on every car. To invest in Tesla-specific tools, I have to believe I will have enough Tesla traffic to justify it. Which at present doesn't happen. So an owner wanting to tinker quite simply can't.
        chc 11y ago
        An owner wanting to tinker presumably doesn't care about market demand for their tinkering, so why can't they? It's not like $250/mo is prohibitive to somebody who wants to tinker with their $100,000 luxury car.
      - foota 11y ago
        Based on what I think car repair costs, just a couple of Teslas a year seems like it would be enough to justify the expense.
    - chc 11y ago
      I don't see where you believe there is a "checken-and-egg problem." You do not need to know how to repair Teslas in order to invest $3000 a year in a Tesla service manual. All you need is $3000 and the expectation that you'll be able to put the things you learn from the manual into practice.
      - smitherfield 11y ago
        Well, you don't know that Teslas are even repairable. Perhaps they only sell/provide certain replacement parts or software keys to Tesla stores.
        justinlardinois 11y ago