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> Only for those who don't use more than a smart phone. Sadly, that's an increasingly large segment of the population. Anecdotally, many of my extended family
by frio 11y ago
> Only for those who don't use more than a smart phone.
Sadly, that's an increasingly large segment of the population. Anecdotally, many of my extended family only have mobiles, maybe a tablet, and maybe a videogame console -- no laptops or desktops to be found. Many friends have similar stories.
- rnovak 11y agoTo counter your anecdote with one of my own: Literally everyone I know, including my 93 year old grand-parents own a smartphone and at least a laptop or desktop. Every. Single. One. That includes my technologically challenged siblings. Anecdotes are just that. I wont take yours to represent society as a whole, as you shouldn't take mine to either.
- sloanesturz 11y agoCompare your experiences, though, to that of the developing world. Many hundreds of millions of people have gone online for the first time this decade and almost all new Internet users only have smart phones. This huge population never owned a PC and may never need to own one, especially as apps get better and better.
- Godel_unicode 11y agoPhone with SSH client, Bluetooth keyboard, Chromecast to TV, digitalocean Ubuntu droplet. No computer != can't write code. What millenial had access to anything close to that nice when they learned to code?
- cm3 11y agoWhile this is nice, I could never use something with such high latency for editing code or interactive sessions. You've just added latency all over the place. Delayed input and output plus networking across the world.
- fsckin 11y agoRemove the extra step going from Phone to Chromecast (plenty of phones have HDMI OR the Chromecast can run an SSH client) and this a great solution with minimal latency. Anything remotely comparable in the 80s/90s would have been totally out of reach on a student budget.
- Godel_unicode 11y agoSerious (I hope!) question: how does one run the SSH client on the Chromecast? Are you proposing installing Linux on the Chromecast, or is this something available out of the box? Totally agree with your point about HDMI, I overlooked it because my phone doesn't support it.
- manveru 11y agoYou can cast your whole screen from Android or a Chrome tab to Chromecast (now called Google Cast). That includes any SSH client you have running there. (There are SSH clients for both Chrome and Android)
- Godel_unicode 11y agoIf you look at my GGP comment, you'll see that mirroring to the Chromecast is what I initially suggested. I was specifically asking about the statement "OR the Chromecast can run an SSH client".
- Godel_unicode 11y agoI suggested this because I've tried it, and it works well if you have no privileged reference frame to which you're comparing it. A new Precision with a Xeon and 32GB of ECC RAM is nice. Not necessary for the vast majority of development jobs.
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- ekianjo 11y agoWhy would u want to carry so many things if you can have a cheap laptop that packs everything nicely?
- Godel_unicode 11y agoWeight and battery life.
- ekianjo 11y agoLaptops are not exactly heavy these days anymore
- vacri 11y agoThat's a 'cool trick', but it's not 'nice to code'.
- Godel_unicode 11y agoCompared with what? If you're stacking it up against what Western first-world developers use (macbook with an SSD and more RAM than my first dev box had HDD) then of course you're correct. That's also emphatically not the use case I was addressing.
- vacri 11y agoStop arguing from extremes. A $300 notebook is better to code on than that phone-tv-remote-machine-via-ssh setup. For a start, you can use an IDE that isn't terminal-bound. You can also code at a desk (or wherever) instead of tied to wherever your TV is, at watching-the-TV angles and postures. You're also not going to lose your session and potentially your unsaved edits because the network interrupts. Yes, you could use tmux or similar, but now you've changed the standard keyset (and screwed normal scrollback), and are increasing the requirements to entry. A cheap notebook is also a much lower barrier to entry - in order to have your own droplet, you need to know how to set up a cloud machine and connect to it properly. That's not trivial knowledge to a newbie (nor is it relevent, unless they're coding for servers), even though us old hands can do it in our sleep. Similarly, you need a way to pay for for the online subscription.
- pjc50 11y agoThat seems far more Heath-Robinson than even the old days of plugging a computer into the TV and saving programs on tape. Mind you, I learnt to program BASIC before I had reliable access to a computer too, so I programmed on paper. I wouldn't reccomend it for any but the most determined student.
- themodelplumber 11y agoYeah, but these people with such great apps are also consuming stuff (like apps) created by people with more expensive hardware. A Pakistani friend of mine just received a laptop from a government program and he seemed like he was about to burst with joy. Now he has more power to create. For the foreseeable future, the guy with the laptop and phone will be able to do more than the guy with just the phone. And any person with six monitors stacked, a nice keyboard, a mouse, an office chair, large desk, dedicated office phone, large screen TV, new gaming console, cup full of pens and a pad of paper (all these are technologies) plus a laptop and a smart phone will probably tell you the people in developing countries are missing out if they want to experience what he experiences, let alone compete with him. This is why all that stuff is still on the market, and people are really pessimistic and fearful about whatever weird plans Apple has for an iOS/OSX merger.
- rnovak 11y agoThe whole point of my comment was that anecdotes are by definition not universal. Maybe you missed that?
- frio 11y agoYou're absolutely right -- it is just an anecdote :). hk__2 further down points out that these are possibly people who've never owned a computer, and that this should be viewed as a step forward -- hk__2's right! The devices they own are cheap (or at least: are much more affordable than a laptop has ever been) and limited, but having them is still better than having no device. With that said, I'd argue that selling at these (absurdly) low prices is creating a new market segment. I guess I wanted to express my concern at dismissing the part of the population that "don't use more than a smart phone". They exist!
- chrisan 11y ago> To counter your anecdote with one of my own: Literally everyone I know, including my 93 year old grand-parents own a smartphone and at least a laptop or desktop. Every. Single. One. That includes my technologically challenged siblings. But will that always be the case, especially when the "next Netflix" comes around? I'm in the same boat as you, everyone I know has both a laptop and/or desktop as well as a smartphone and possibly tablet. However, less and less of these people I know are buying new laptops/PCs because for the average person... why do they need those?
- Amezarak 11y agoA friend of a friend saw me working on my NAS a few weeks ago and said "I didn't know anyone used those anymore." I said "What do you mean?" "Computers, I didn't know anyone used computers anymore."
- bad_user 11y agoArguably the people using restricted mobile devices exclusively would have never used PCs. These are the same people that 10 years ago where buying DVD players, PlayStations and other limited appliances for their living room, because PCs are way too complicated for some people. And you can't really blame them. Just the other day I cleaned my father's computer of viruses. I also believe the market for content producers that need general purpose computing devices is bigger than ever, and growing. It's just that it's being eclipsed by the market of content consumers. Plus upgrade cycles have gotten much longer, 4 or 5-year old PCs being totally fine. And speaking of phones, dumb phones are dead, the smartphone is the new norm, yet how many smartphone users are heavy Internet and apps users? I bet it's not that many.
- cm3 11y ago> 4 or 5-year old PCs being totally fine Especially content producers can easily use up all hardware enhancements for rendering and such, so they do appreciate a newer machine.
- bad_user 11y agoI'm a software developer, so I'm arguably a content producer. I have a 4 year old laptop that's still fine for software development, even though I'm using heavy tools to do it (e.g. Scala, IntelliJ IDEA), I only had to replace its battery. Producing content doesn't necessarily mean 3D rendering. It can mean just writing Word / Excel / PowerPoint documents.
- dzhiurgis 11y agoI guess in your case you are more of a content input, rather than producer. Or perhaps producers should be called content farmers/hackers.
- bad_user 11y agoContent, noun: 1. the amount of a particular constituent occurring in a substance. 2. the material dealt with in a speech, literary work, etc. as distinct from its form or style. 3. information made available by a website or other electronic medium. Producer, noun: 1. a person, company, or country that makes, grows, or supplies goods or commodities. 2. a person or thing that makes or causes something. Maybe we are not speaking the same language.
- hk__2 11y agoA lot of the people who now own a smartphone didn’t own any computer-like device (i.e. laptop/desktop/tablet) before; I think that’s a step forward, not backward.
- Kurtz79 11y agoI think it is largely the same segment of the population that before didn't use computers anyway, or used them as dumb browsers or e-mail clients.