Hacker news crowd are usually wealthy programmers who got very lucky in the nature's randomness. You have to be definitely smart to be a good programmer and the

Hacker news crowd are usually wealthy programmers who got very lucky in the nature's randomness. You have to be definitely smart to be a good programmer and the comments are usually very optimistic and ideal world scenarios. The programmers who graduate to be good managers and fail couple of businesses really care about liberty. The best leaders I ever worked with cared so much about giving their productive people more liberty and they think like programmers. So there is hope after all ;-).