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>>A Basic Income from Govt comes at a huge price of loss of individual liberty. If someone gives you free stuff, they will expect controls like where you are al

>>A Basic Income from Govt comes at a huge price of loss of individual liberty. If someone gives you free stuff, they will expect controls like where you are allowed to spend your money and time. No. The entire point of basic income is that it is unconditional. You get a check from the government at frequent intervals. Unlike food stamps, you can spend the money on whatever you want.

yanilkr 11y ago
Do you think I can get the check in America and go and spend it outside America?
- gknoy 11y ago
  If we make it something available to _all_citizens_, I don't think the location where you live should matter -- just like paying taxes. If you're a citizen of the US, and get an unconditional monthly check deposited from the gov't, I don't think I care whether you (my fellow citizen) decides to spend that money living in Los Angeles, or decides to travel to Vietnam and live cheaply. You pay income tax as a US citizen even if you live elsewhere, so I don't see how it's unfair to send you a check either. That's _the point_ of UBI: you get it, and can do what you feel is best with it. If that means buying steak one night a month and ramen the rest, or pay your tuition, or pay for a gym membership, or sock it away in a bank account to fund your 15-year anniversary trip to Italy, I should not care.
  - yanilkr 11y ago
    Looks like a wealth transfer scheme where the wealth transfers from America to outside America. At least if the spending happens with in an economy it circles back into economy. Just earn monthly recurring money for being a citizen, take the money and spend it where ever you want and what ever you want. 50% chance of spending on self-destructive things and why go to college? why get a job? why do anything? go to a different part of the world just blow it all out. A fool and his/her money depart. Nature gave us a reward system that incentivizes effort and you cant get away facing unintended consequences when you go against it.
- AnimalMuppet 11y ago
  Are you just looking for a reason to argue? It sure sounds like it. What difference does it make whether the recipient can spend it outside America or not? Does that invalidate enraged_camel's point whatsoever? No, it doesn't. In case you really care, though, yes, you can. You probably have to convert the currency somewhere along the way, and you may have to pay for a wire transfer, but yes, you can (just like with any other source of US dollars).
  - yanilkr 11y ago
    You should try reading an economics textbook.
AnimalMuppet 11y ago
You're right, but... Politics is a real thing. It means that government programs have rules changes when people decide that they're unhappy with the way it's currently being done. Basic income might not stay unconditional for long.

yanilkr 11y ago

Do you think I can get the check in America and go and spend it outside America?

gknoy 11y ago
If we make it something available to _all_citizens_, I don't think the location where you live should matter -- just like paying taxes. If you're a citizen of the US, and get an unconditional monthly check deposited from the gov't, I don't think I care whether you (my fellow citizen) decides to spend that money living in Los Angeles, or decides to travel to Vietnam and live cheaply. You pay income tax as a US citizen even if you live elsewhere, so I don't see how it's unfair to send you a check either. That's _the point_ of UBI: you get it, and can do what you feel is best with it. If that means buying steak one night a month and ramen the rest, or pay your tuition, or pay for a gym membership, or sock it away in a bank account to fund your 15-year anniversary trip to Italy, I should not care.
- yanilkr 11y ago
  Looks like a wealth transfer scheme where the wealth transfers from America to outside America. At least if the spending happens with in an economy it circles back into economy. Just earn monthly recurring money for being a citizen, take the money and spend it where ever you want and what ever you want. 50% chance of spending on self-destructive things and why go to college? why get a job? why do anything? go to a different part of the world just blow it all out. A fool and his/her money depart. Nature gave us a reward system that incentivizes effort and you cant get away facing unintended consequences when you go against it.
AnimalMuppet 11y ago
Are you just looking for a reason to argue? It sure sounds like it. What difference does it make whether the recipient can spend it outside America or not? Does that invalidate enraged_camel's point whatsoever? No, it doesn't. In case you really care, though, yes, you can. You probably have to convert the currency somewhere along the way, and you may have to pay for a wire transfer, but yes, you can (just like with any other source of US dollars).
- yanilkr 11y ago
  You should try reading an economics textbook.

AnimalMuppet 11y ago

You're right, but... Politics is a real thing. It means that government programs have rules changes when people decide that they're unhappy with the way it's currently being done. Basic income might not stay unconditional for long.