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It would completely remove the necessity to be productive. That can't turn out well. What's preventing me from having as many babies as I can knowing that they

by alttab 11y ago

It would completely remove the necessity to be productive. That can't turn out well. What's preventing me from having as many babies as I can knowing that they too will not have to work or find a job to be supported? I know this won't work at scale, because I understand math.

jack9 11y ago
> It would completely remove the necessity to be productive. That can't turn out well. Take a look at mobile games. People do lots of things just to be 1 rung higher on an artificial competitive ladder (reset every month) about endlessly punching a "Battle" button. I think this idea that necessity has ever driven productivity (look around at your job) is a long running joke.
emidln 11y ago
There's no necessity to be productive now. Most (all?) of the minimum wage jobs in the United States aren't productive to society except so far as that they have some minimal amount of money to make violent property crime slightly less attractive.
lintiness 11y ago
you need to emotion this a little more and get back to us.
tangent128 11y ago
Why would you <em>want</em> to have as many babies as you can?
- alttab 11y ago
  What if having a big family brings me joy? If welfare and basic income provide the support I need to have a huge family without being productive, why would I choose to live a life that is inconsistent with my life's motivations? Why work for a living when I can do what I want, and be just as comfortable? I don't need a Tesla, so I'll leave the working for the chumps.
  - tangent128 11y ago
    Congratulations, you get to be productive by raising society's next generation. Sincerely. Many people don't desire large families, if any, or are physically incapable of reproduction. So why pressure them to when others are perfectly willing to pick up the slack?
thesimon 11y ago
>It would completely remove the necessity to be productive. That can't turn out well. As seen in welfare states in Scandinavia or Germany, where almost no one works because of the unemployment benefits.
- snerbles 11y ago
  Of course not, but the stability of such a state is becoming a concern with the current migration situation. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/02/welfare-state-refugees-europe/463272/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/02/wel...
  - alttab 11y ago
    And it's ignoring culture.
usefulcat 11y ago
Wait, are you really suggesting that people decide how many children to have based on whether they believe those children will have to work when they become adults?

by alttab 11y ago

jack9 11y ago

> It would completely remove the necessity to be productive. That can't turn out well. Take a look at mobile games. People do lots of things just to be 1 rung higher on an artificial competitive ladder (reset every month) about endlessly punching a "Battle" button. I think this idea that necessity has ever driven productivity (look around at your job) is a long running joke.

emidln 11y ago

There's no necessity to be productive now. Most (all?) of the minimum wage jobs in the United States aren't productive to society except so far as that they have some minimal amount of money to make violent property crime slightly less attractive.

lintiness 11y ago

you need to emotion this a little more and get back to us.

tangent128 11y ago

Why would you <em>want</em> to have as many babies as you can?

alttab 11y ago
What if having a big family brings me joy? If welfare and basic income provide the support I need to have a huge family without being productive, why would I choose to live a life that is inconsistent with my life's motivations? Why work for a living when I can do what I want, and be just as comfortable? I don't need a Tesla, so I'll leave the working for the chumps.
- tangent128 11y ago
  Congratulations, you get to be productive by raising society's next generation. Sincerely. Many people don't desire large families, if any, or are physically incapable of reproduction. So why pressure them to when others are perfectly willing to pick up the slack?

thesimon 11y ago

>It would completely remove the necessity to be productive. That can't turn out well. As seen in welfare states in Scandinavia or Germany, where almost no one works because of the unemployment benefits.

snerbles 11y ago
Of course not, but the stability of such a state is becoming a concern with the current migration situation. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/02/welfare-state-refugees-europe/463272/ http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/02/wel...
- alttab 11y ago
  And it's ignoring culture.

usefulcat 11y ago

Wait, are you really suggesting that people decide how many children to have based on whether they believe those children will have to work when they become adults?