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> supposedly This is the reason. Kids and teens are not anything savvy in reality, and specifically are no more internet savvy than anyone else.

by mhurron 11y ago

lostgame 11y ago
Umm...pardon me? I'm pretty sure kids under 20 are far, incomparably, even, more internet-savvy than the previous generations. Just because there's a small percentage of 20-50-somethings who actually understand or use it, doesn't mean there's not a huge percentage of 7-year-olds who understand technology infinitely better than their parents. This is the norm, not an exception. Proof? Let's take something super-recent - Microsoft's ludicrous failure with 'Tay.' The lack of 4chan/reddit-proofing indicates how wildly out of touch the previous generation is with the internet of the current generation. It's sad.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  Not really, no. The current generation of kids is growing up with the Internet, but that doesn't mean they're automatically "tech-savvy" or "Internet-savvy". For most, it's just another magic box. I think it's time to bring up this classic: http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/ http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-comput.... RE Tay fiaso, I wouldn't blame it on previous generation being out of touch. Programming is a mainstream discipline now, most programmers are out of touch with the messier side of the Internet just like most kids these days.
  - naveen99 11y ago
    Fun stories from tech support. But why is he trying to "clean viruses". He should be just saving some data, and then reinstalling from scratch... Also, while ios isn't quite as open as desktop oses, at least it has an sdk and we have internet. Growing up, I couldn't write software for my nintendo as easily as for ios.
- dsp1234 11y ago
  far, incomparably, even, more internet-savvy than the previous generations. Counterpoint: My mother will not post personally identifying information online because she's afraid that it will be used against her later in life. Part of being internet-savvy is understanding that the internet never forgets, and that sooner or later what you say be used against you.
- mhurron 11y ago
  First off it was a 16 year old. I have more experience using the internet than they have experience living. Extend that out to 25 year olds and I have more experience dealing with desktop computers in general than they have living. No, people under 20 do not have the most experience online. That 7 year old doesn't understand anything about what they're using, it has been made so that they don't have to. People mistake no fear of using something as experience and knowledge of that thing. That 7 year old doesn't understand shit, they're just not scared of braking it and having to pay for a replacement. The majority of teens fall in to this as well. We don't mistake the almost ubiquitous use of cars in the US as an indicator that the US population is 'car savvy,' so why do we do it with computers, cell phones and the internet when in reality you need to know just as much about how they work as how your car does in order to use it? Simple use is not understanding. And Tay is a better example of the failure of American society to raise people than anything else. Microsoft didn't have these problems in Japan or China. And honestly, you want to talk about outliers and than use 4chan users as some example of 'the current generation?' Hell 4chan users themselves are not some coherent group.
  - traek 11y ago
    > We don't mistake the almost ubiquitous use of cars in the US as an indicator that the US population is 'car savvy,' so why do we do it with computers, cell phones and the internet when in reality you need to know just as much about how they work as how your car does in order to use it? That may be true from the perspective of understanding the technical workings of the internet, but it's orthogonal to the discussion of understanding internet culture. "Internet savvy" in this context means savvy with media and savvy with modern social networks, not with the OSI model of networking.
    - mhurron 11y ago
      > "Internet savvy" in this context means savvy with media and savvy with modern social networks But they're not, they do not have 'shrewdness and practical knowledge' of social networks or how the internet works they're just not scared of them.
- wavefunction 11y ago
  Tay is nothing new. Eliza would be verboten in Germany by now, _except_ Eliza doesn't "learn" from interacting with people like Tay does. Kids understand how to use systems. They don't necessarily understand how those systems work, though a few do.
- jccalhoun 11y ago
  As counter-proof I would submit my college students (mostly 18-22) who I see struggling with simple technology. Yes some of them are very tech savvy but I am amazed at how few actually are.
- zzalpha 11y ago
  I'm pretty sure kids under 20 are far, incomparably, even, more internet-savvy than the previous generations. So I'm going to go ahead and guess this is a problem with the use of the word "savvy". Let's take the internet out of the equation. Kids are inexperienced, short-sighted, and lack the perspective to understand the short- and long-term ramifications of what they say and do. In short: they're (on average) dumb. And this has never and will never change. It's part of this thing we refer to as "growing up". It's why minors can't legally vote, or buy alcohol or cigarettes. All the internet did was give them a very public, very permanent place to be dumb.
- lostgame 11y ago
  I might've gotten down votes, but at least I started a conversation XD

> supposedly This is the reason. Kids and teens are not anything savvy in reality, and specifically are no more internet savvy than anyone else.

by mhurron 11y ago

> supposedly This is the reason. Kids and teens are not anything savvy in reality, and specifically are no more internet savvy than anyone else.

lostgame 11y ago

Umm...pardon me? I'm pretty sure kids under 20 are far, incomparably, even, more internet-savvy than the previous generations. Just because there's a small percentage of 20-50-somethings who actually understand or use it, doesn't mean there's not a huge percentage of 7-year-olds who understand technology infinitely better than their parents. This is the norm, not an exception. Proof? Let's take something super-recent - Microsoft's ludicrous failure with 'Tay.' The lack of 4chan/reddit-proofing indicates how wildly out of touch the previous generation is with the internet of the current generation. It's sad.

TeMPOraL 11y ago
Not really, no. The current generation of kids is growing up with the Internet, but that doesn't mean they're automatically "tech-savvy" or "Internet-savvy". For most, it's just another magic box. I think it's time to bring up this classic: http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/ http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-comput.... RE Tay fiaso, I wouldn't blame it on previous generation being out of touch. Programming is a mainstream discipline now, most programmers are out of touch with the messier side of the Internet just like most kids these days.
- naveen99 11y ago
  Fun stories from tech support. But why is he trying to "clean viruses". He should be just saving some data, and then reinstalling from scratch... Also, while ios isn't quite as open as desktop oses, at least it has an sdk and we have internet. Growing up, I couldn't write software for my nintendo as easily as for ios.
dsp1234 11y ago
far, incomparably, even, more internet-savvy than the previous generations. Counterpoint: My mother will not post personally identifying information online because she's afraid that it will be used against her later in life. Part of being internet-savvy is understanding that the internet never forgets, and that sooner or later what you say be used against you.
mhurron 11y ago
First off it was a 16 year old. I have more experience using the internet than they have experience living. Extend that out to 25 year olds and I have more experience dealing with desktop computers in general than they have living. No, people under 20 do not have the most experience online. That 7 year old doesn't understand anything about what they're using, it has been made so that they don't have to. People mistake no fear of using something as experience and knowledge of that thing. That 7 year old doesn't understand shit, they're just not scared of braking it and having to pay for a replacement. The majority of teens fall in to this as well. We don't mistake the almost ubiquitous use of cars in the US as an indicator that the US population is 'car savvy,' so why do we do it with computers, cell phones and the internet when in reality you need to know just as much about how they work as how your car does in order to use it? Simple use is not understanding. And Tay is a better example of the failure of American society to raise people than anything else. Microsoft didn't have these problems in Japan or China. And honestly, you want to talk about outliers and than use 4chan users as some example of 'the current generation?' Hell 4chan users themselves are not some coherent group.
- traek 11y ago
  > We don't mistake the almost ubiquitous use of cars in the US as an indicator that the US population is 'car savvy,' so why do we do it with computers, cell phones and the internet when in reality you need to know just as much about how they work as how your car does in order to use it? That may be true from the perspective of understanding the technical workings of the internet, but it's orthogonal to the discussion of understanding internet culture. "Internet savvy" in this context means savvy with media and savvy with modern social networks, not with the OSI model of networking.
  - mhurron 11y ago
    > "Internet savvy" in this context means savvy with media and savvy with modern social networks But they're not, they do not have 'shrewdness and practical knowledge' of social networks or how the internet works they're just not scared of them.
wavefunction 11y ago
Tay is nothing new. Eliza would be verboten in Germany by now, _except_ Eliza doesn't "learn" from interacting with people like Tay does. Kids understand how to use systems. They don't necessarily understand how those systems work, though a few do.
jccalhoun 11y ago
As counter-proof I would submit my college students (mostly 18-22) who I see struggling with simple technology. Yes some of them are very tech savvy but I am amazed at how few actually are.
zzalpha 11y ago
I'm pretty sure kids under 20 are far, incomparably, even, more internet-savvy than the previous generations. So I'm going to go ahead and guess this is a problem with the use of the word "savvy". Let's take the internet out of the equation. Kids are inexperienced, short-sighted, and lack the perspective to understand the short- and long-term ramifications of what they say and do. In short: they're (on average) dumb. And this has never and will never change. It's part of this thing we refer to as "growing up". It's why minors can't legally vote, or buy alcohol or cigarettes. All the internet did was give them a very public, very permanent place to be dumb.
lostgame 11y ago
I might've gotten down votes, but at least I started a conversation XD